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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 05-18-1999 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two of my favorite acquisitions at the Newark Museum have been things that are (I think) extremely rare and important, but were overlooked by other museums because they didn't have a "big" name. One is an art deco coffee set with orange Bakelite handles by Towle, called "Ritz," and patented in 1928-29. The other, a very recent buy, is an enameled drum-shaped cigarette box with a carnelian knob, by International Silver. The design looks extremely German, and it is only one of two I'd ever heard of--the other is in the Wolfsonian in Miami. It seems to me that Towle and International are very important companies--BECAUSE they were concerned with mass-market, rather than just carriage trade. However, many curators (and even collectors) get all hung up on anything that isn't Tiffany, Gorham or something arts and crafts.

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I can't agree with you more! Seems like there's two kinds of collectors - even in museums! - self-directed and other-directed.
The other-directed type is the type that only buys something that has been ratified by consensus, ie a big name. The self-directed collector buys something that has good design, or has importance, in his/her eyes alone (at least at this time). The usual cycle ensues, and once enough self-directed people find something of interest, then the other-directed collectors hop on the bandwagon et voila! it's a Tiffany!

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iconnumber posted 09-13-1999 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the exhibition I currently have on display, "Needless Necessity: Jewelry and Silver in America," I have included the complete range of materials from our silver collection--from "important" one of a kind objects, to typical, workaday silver objects from the turn of the century when quantity seems to have been as much a part of silver ownership and marketing as quality.

In the curatorial viewpoint, it seems to me that many "modest" objects work well when shown alongside "important" ones, because they demonstrate how different consumers satisfied their desire to own silver.

Do you care enough to read on? For example: you have a hand-made Georg Jensen compote from 1922 (that we were given new); a stamped-out "comport" from the Unger Brothers catalogue of 1905; and a Gorahm compote that is somewhere in between--plenty of hand work, yet not without machine assistance. While they all represent the same domestic impulse to decorate a table with a formal silver stand for fruit or some kind of sweet, each also tells a different tale in terms of what the buyer wanted out of his/her silver. Jensen silver has always had the glamour of being hand-crafted--something which only began to really be widely meaningful in the early 20th-century after years of influence from the arts and crafts movement (here and abroad). The Gorham piece, kind of puffy rococo with slight art nouveau overtones, was relying on the standard lure of "old world" opulence and the inherent status that Gorham's name carried. Unger, however, seems to have tapped into a simpler hunger--aimed at a consumer for whom silver was silver, and niceties such as cutting edge design or extensive handcraft were unimportant. The fact that it was made out of silver was key; the fact that it was moderately elaborate was also important; the fact that it was stamped out like a hubcap never entered into the picture, since consumers never had any sense of how mass-market silver was produced.

Is this just too dull for words, or does it clarify my perspective?

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 09-14-1999 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting take on Unger. Unger silver is such a hot commodity now that it's hard to think of it as mass produced.

It is interesting to consider the different markets for silver and most interesting to see samples side by side. It not only brings context to the pieces, but it hopefully helps folks realize that just because silver is precious metal you don't have to be Bill Gates to start appreciating and collecting and using it.

I get misty eyed sometimes when I read marketing ephemera from the the first half of the century goading brides-to-be to choose their silver patterns and study the fine art of table setting and entertaining.

How do we convince our contemporaries that silver is a wonderful thing to have and use and it doesn't have to be high maintenance?

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