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iconnumber posted 12-08-2002 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
New here.

I have acquired what I believe is an insulated Ice Pitcher. It is 12" tall and 10" wide from spout to the end of the square shaped handle. It has 4 cherubs around upper rim, a deer bedded down on top of the handle, a gargoyle under the handle, leaf on top of spout, shell under spout with cattails growing from it, and decorated on both sides with calla lilies and crossed leaves and 4 large square feet. Stamped JA s(underlined s) STIMPSON 1854 EXTENDED for seven years and is also stamped "quadruple plate Wilcox Silver Plate Co and a number, 312. The original lid is gone but a very tight fitting one made by the Meridien b company works fine. It also has a few dents from use and is in original patina.

Any information would be helpful and anyone knowing how to value this piece would also be very helpful.

Thank you

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iconnumber posted 12-08-2002 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A simple way to get an idea of the value of your silver is to watch eBay for the next year and see what several similar items sell for.

Or you could secure the services of a professional appraiser. To request information about an professional appraiser in your area, go to here. The following is from this link:



Ask 10 people on the street what an appraisal is and how an appraisal is done and you will get 10 very different answers. The common thread heard is that an appraisal tells you "what it is worth" and is usually obtained by "asking/calling a dealer." In the simplest of terms this is generally correct. However, please don't contact us or any professional appraiser requesting a phone or email appraisal because if you need the appraisal for legal, tax, business, insurance, replacement, damage, loss, charitable gift, gift, estate, equitable distribution and/or other professional reasons a phone or an email appraisal will prove to be very inadequate.

A professional appraiser cannot appraise your silver without personally inspecting it. Please don't waste your time asking for an appraisal based solely on your description or photographs. When you deal with a trained professional appraiser, one who belongs to one of the personal property appraisal associations (AAA, ASA, ISA), you will receive a documented comparative analysis as a written appraisal. A professionally written appraisal comes at the conclusion of a series of very specific and uniform steps which include: personal inspection, research, documentation and a comparative market study. A professionally written appraisal will conform to a standard called USPAP or Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice. Your appraisal when done properly can take a considerable amount of time so be prepared to compensate the professional appraiser accordingly. Also be sure that the appraiser specializes in the types of items being appraised.

When you ask for and get a verbal or a "seat of the pants" (or Internet) written opinion this is not an appraisal, it is only a guesstimate. When asking a dealer for their opinion, remember they have to balance what they tell you. The dealers guesstimate usually falls somewhere between what they would buy it from you for, what they would sell it to you for and what they think will make you happy. This is not an objective opinion and so the declared value could be way off either way.

To find an appraiser in your area click here.

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iconnumber posted 12-10-2002 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your piece probably dates from the 1870s--the extension of the 1854 patent is interesting--I'm not sure I've ever seen one of those before. But if the original patent ran from 1854 well into the '70s, before it was extended, then this helps date your piece, as well as the stylistic wildness, which is a mixture of neo-grec and aesthetic movement. The very rough condition on your piece is going to limit its market value significantly--I can't offer figures, but I know that I would never accept a piece in this condition as a gift to the Museum, much less pay for it. It could be restored, but the restoration might be expensive. You'd have to find a buyer who is really into this kind of design. The lack of the original lid is also a problem for a picky collector. For someone who just wants to use it, less so.

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