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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 08-16-2005 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or, SHOULD museum's collect silver? These days it seems museums are being pressured only to do what appeals to a mass audience. I know that silver appeals to a select, elegant, and intellectual audience. Or whatever it is we all are. Crazy, perhaps. I've spent 25 years collecting silver for my museum, only to hear from my marketing department that it's not interesting enough to promote an exhibition on silver in any serious way. So what's a fellow to do?

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iconnumber posted 08-16-2005 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The profit motive is becoming pervasive today in all segments of society, from health care to education, and people are losing sight of the bigger picture. Fire the pencil pushers and hire someone who understands what museums are all about.

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iconnumber posted 08-16-2005 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My suggestion-start a marketing campaign of your own! Based on the pieces you have shown us on this website, I would be happy to send a letter or email to your marketing department letting them know I'd travel to your museum to see a show of your museum's silver. I am sure others would as well.

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 08-18-2005 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, that's what I'm doing! This website and Silver Magazine, along with the New York Silver Society, have been my personal publicity campaign. I'm really thinking of the more general public--the millions of folks who live within thirty miles of Newark and who might just be interested in learning about silver. But our PR folks don't understand why anyone would care.

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2005 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, according to the marketing department, what types of exhibitions do bring in the teeming throngs?

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 08-18-2005 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lost Impressionist Gold of the Tsars. Or nude pictures of any famous person.

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Silver Lyon

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2005 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silver Lyon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always thought that the challenge within almost any museum, apart from furthering knowledge within the academic world, was to inform and entertain visitors while HOPING to pass on the torch of enthusiasm for the subject.
If, on leaving the museum, a visitor can be heard saying to a friend of theirs 'did you know that...' I consider that the curator has done their job well.
I loved the exhibit you put on earlier this year - I also noted the enthusiasm of the visiting students for both the pieces AND the stories. They really just needed somebody in the galleries to encourage them to WANT to learn more. Something in a cage for them to handle might be a good idea - many of the visitore have NEVER had the pleasure of handling a piecce of nice 'sexy' silver! Didactic panels, however good, are not anything like as helpful as an enthusiastic person!
I suggest that an extention of that presentation 'America becomes a Nation' shown through the growth and change of ownership and usage of silver and then the tecnological advances after 1828 that helped to make Newark what it became might raise slightly more interest (Charles Venable did a really good job with the grand pieces, but there is still room for a serious show and book concentrating on the vernacular!).
Just jottings..

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2005 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Museums are tasked with several public responsibilities. The general public very often only sees one of those tasks in the form of exhibitions. Ulysses can tell us what the rest of the tasks are.

My thoughts:

I think of a museum as our civilization’s and history’s “lost and found” where artifacts of culture and society are preserved. Museums are a repository of things we will lose to the future. Museums remind us of who we were and help us to gain insights to our contemporary selves.

As philanthropy shifts and budgets tighten, Marketing/PR would seem to be all the more important. Marketing and PR are related and complimentary but should not be viewed as sharing the same goals. In an over simplification, marketing sells tickets, PR makes sure the mission statement is heard by more than the attendees to an exhibition. A good foundation of money is what allows a museum to achieve its mission. In my mind Fund Raising is more important and should lead the pack of the three. Especially since selling tickets to raise money will not guarantee a proper future. Museums have a long view into the past so when selling tickets becomes paramount the result is that the museum’s view/mission is distracted and undermined by contemporary fashions and fads.

This doesn’t mean that paying attention to contemporary fashions and fads isn’t important. I think museums need to recognize the current/recent fashions and fads such that they can start the museums collections early. This way museums will have the economical advantage and the pick of everyone’s discards before so much is destroyed and before what remains becomes collectable and/or hard to find/afford.

All of the above and more is what makes the curators job so difficult. To do a proper job, museum curators need some arms length from the marketing arm or they could be overly influenced and the long term goals for the institution will be adversely modified by the short term goal of attracting the teeming throngs.

I suppose it has got to be a very difficult balancing act. I would hope it can be done with a priority being given to the museum’s long term mission and to the fund raising efforts to support the long term goals.

I would hope the role of marketing/PR is not to steer but to support the curator, the long term mission and the Fund Raising of an ever increasing endowment.

P.S. June says the above is too wordy and “Don’t pick on the bean counters. They can be silver lovers too” smile


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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 08-19-2005 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've always felt that my goal in an exhibition is to take people who don't know anything and don't care, and turn them into interested enthusiasts by the time they leave an exhibition.

The difficulty with marketing is that marketers see absolute numbers as the goal, and they sometimes will do anything (including ignoring the institution's collections) to get people in the door. As a curator, my feeling is that a good marketer should be able to sell ANYTHING, no matter how dull it might seem.

Of course, the real ideal is for a museum to have enough space to be able to do "crowd pleaser" exhibitions to draw in crowds, and simultaneously do more academic shows that explore aspects of the collections. A good curator should be able to captivate an audience once it's in the room...and many curators fail at this, too, because they've never learned anything but preaching to the choir (so to speak).

Fundraising (development) is a crucial part of every museum...but again, often the development staff becomes more important than the collections staff, and collections are neglected because money is needed to hire people to raise more money.

And don't get me started on the problems of fundraising in New Jersey...!

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iconnumber posted 08-26-2005 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TBC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course museums should collect and display. This is a given in any society that wishes to claim to be civilised.

A personal note - only 8 mths ago it was when I visited a number of museums in Vienna, Austria that I had my interest in silver sparked...

With regard to the debate between marketers v. te curator...

Food for a classic debate...Is there a CEO (or equivalent) in your museum? In other words, is there a "boss" or someone who calls the shots (as in pays wages, hires and fires etc). If not, you're part of a commune and I have no advice. If there is a CEO then this is the person you should be trying to influence. And if the CEO does not take the advices of his or her curator on board, then s/he is leaving themselves open to an action for judicial review...how frustrated are you? Are you being thwarted in the discharge of your responsibilities and duties. If so, see a lawyer...

Am I missing something?

Rgds,

Tom

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 08-27-2005 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I am frustrated at times, but I was sort of asking the question rhetorically. We actually have both a CEO (the Director) and a COO (the business manager) as many larger museums do today. My director has been very supportive over the years of my collecting silver, and if you get to Newark before next February, you'll get a chance to see the results. The frustration comes in when I deal with a growing attitude in Museums that drawing the public in at any cost is more important than showcasing the collections already in the museum. This (I think) excellent silver show currently on view in Newark recieves very little proper promotion, because it is perceived that the public isn't really interested in silver, and therefore it isn't worth paying for advertising for MY exhibition. Pay for many ads for an exhibition of Georgia O'Keeffe paintings borrowed from another musuem IS, however, worth it.

If I have another frustration, it's that I don't have enough gallery space to permanently show many of the really nifty collections in my care in Newark. Thus people forget we even HAVE these things, and thus our reputation suffers because we don't promote what we have in favor of things borrowed from elsewhere.

It's complicated, and thanks for letting me vent more. Actually, I love what I do. Who else gets PAID to collect silver?

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