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nautilusjv

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iconnumber posted 10-10-2011 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nautilusjv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Everyone,

Table setting for wine & cheese this past weekend before going to see a show. The silver is mostly plate from what I call the functional side of my collection:

-Wallace Grand Baroque Compote
-Wm Rogers & Sons Triumph Bread Plate
-F B Rogers small footed salver
-Poole fooeted tray
-Hartford Sterling Company, Philadelphia, large plate handled tray on copper

The most interesting pieces on the table are:

-Horace Woodward plate candelabra c. 1884
-English silverplate grape scissors, marks rubbed possibly Edward and John Barnes, London, c. 1860 I think with an Egyptian Revival papyrus motif.
-Frank Whiting crystal and sterling wine coaster
-Minton plates with urns, medallions and swags 1912/13

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allentownboy

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iconnumber posted 12-03-2011 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for allentownboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A beautiful display and great use of your collection! I know far too many people who say "I only pull the 'good stuff' on special occasions". I always say any family and frien entertaining IS a special occassion that deserves the best!

I'm glad to see others use their special items with pride.

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 12-05-2011 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nautilusjv--
There haven't been many responses to this, but I bet lots of folks have taken a good look! Thanks so much for posting it -- I always love photos of tablesetting and silver in use and wish more people would post them more often. This is especially wonderful -- the table, the room itself, and even the idea of such an elegant little wine and cheese party.

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taloncrest

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iconnumber posted 12-06-2011 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taloncrest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I only have one complaint...not enough pictures!

I love these table settings, too. I want to see your china better, and the candelabra, and I want to see your grape scissors, because your description sounds like an unmarked pair with cast handles that I picked up in October...

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nautilusjv

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iconnumber posted 12-07-2011 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nautilusjv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you everyone for your kind words. When I get a chance, I will post more pictures of the individual items.

I love using my silver for small cocktail or dessert parties (I avoid large dinner situations as my apartment is small) and all of my friends always appreciate when I bring out all of the "stuff"!

Best, Kelly

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 12-07-2011 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Kelly!

Love your pieces, but your photo display got my attention.

Jersey

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allentownboy

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iconnumber posted 12-08-2011 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for allentownboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was my Thanksgiving table this year. I thought it would be fun to show some things I used.

The flatware is my Ravinet service and the dinner plates are old Sheffield pieces by Matthew Boulton.

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allentownboy

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iconnumber posted 12-08-2011 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for allentownboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I forgot:

The Candelabra is a Barker Ellis piece!

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nautilusjv

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iconnumber posted 12-08-2011 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nautilusjv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Matthew Boulton plates are fantastic! Love the look of them on the table!

Here is a pic of my china- Minton circa 1912-1913.

Here are the English grape scissors- the papyrus motif suggests Egyptian Revival-

The marks are badly rubbed but could be Edward and John Barnes, London.

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 12-08-2011 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I gotta get me some grape scissors. They're useful!!!

Allentown -- your table is spectacular. Love that you dodged the whole orange/brown color theme thing! My question has to do with those amazing plates: do you serve food directly on them? Or do you use them as an underplate/charger?

One reason why I'm asking is that I tend not to use pieces such as bowls that would be scratched by serving spoons. I also have some Sheffield covered dishes that are packed away for that reason. Is it an issue? Or do you just go with the flow? After all, this stuff was made to be USED!

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allentownboy

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iconnumber posted 12-08-2011 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for allentownboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seaduck,

Thanks so much for the kind words! I really wanted to try a different color scheme and see how it worked out, and I found that the deep wine color I chose really made the settings pop.

As for the Boulton plates, honestly I only use them as first course under plates when I do use them. I fear any further wear to them, like the scratching you mention. I usually set a soup bowl or salad plate on it, then remove it when the dinner plates come out. Also, they are on the small side for today's china: the average dinner plate is like 10.5" now whereas the early services had dinner plates that were an inch smaller in diameter. The Boulton plates are 9.75", so a dinner plate on top would swallow them!

Kelly, seriously beautiful china. Minton is one of my all time favorites, and your pattern is stunning. I love the color combo they used on the service.

As for your scissors, I am jealous!! I don't own a pair. I think it is time I did!

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taloncrest

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iconnumber posted 12-09-2011 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taloncrest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kelly, your grape scissors look a lot better than mine. I'm pretty sure that mine is a copy of yours. The detail in yours looks so much more three dimensional.




I love your china. I've almost as much of a weakness for china as silver. I'm particularly fond of neoclassical designs like yours.

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park1226

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iconnumber posted 12-09-2011 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for park1226     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nautilusjv's Minton china is indeed a beautiful pattern. It is called "Adam" and was available in several color combinations. It was produced until 1970.

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nautilusjv

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iconnumber posted 12-09-2011 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nautilusjv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks taloncrest! Does your pair of grape scissors have a readable maker's mark?

Thank you park for the Minton pattern name. I had only known it through its number.

Happy Holidays! Kelly

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taloncrest

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iconnumber posted 12-17-2011 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for taloncrest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kelly, mine are unmarked. I have found a pair on the big auction site that are sterling with the 1986 marks for Sheffield. It was described as having a cast handle, so I guess it was a repro, too. I don't know the maker as I only have the pocket Jackson's. I found it searching for grape shears rather than scissors.

Max

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-17-2011 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aside from the wonderful combination of purple tablecloth with the silver setting, I find it also interesting that allentownboy has the flatware facing down. Is that a French style?

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allentownboy

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iconnumber posted 12-18-2011 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for allentownboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you June, I appreciate your noticing that!

Actually that is an old European formal style for flatware setting, especially with French flatware. There are several reasons, some of which make sense, others that are actually silly in retrospect.

I've found much old European flatware, especially French pieces, tend to have the majority of their decoration on the reverse of the piece, often running down the bowls and tines and hosts enjoyed showing that portion to guests out of pride. during the late 18th and early 19th centuries it was common custom to have your monograms on the reverse which also led to the trend of tines facing downward to show off ownership.

Another funny reason is when table etiquette was really just becoming an art form, it was thought that guests would feel less "threatened" by cutlery if tines were down, and sharp blades were turned inward toward the plates. Sort of like the silly story of cutting the corners off of the Queen's sandwiches to blunt any suggestion of "aggression" toward the English Crown.

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allentownboy

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iconnumber posted 12-18-2011 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for allentownboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a quick example of the flatware I used facing down where you can see the majority of the decoration is on the back side running down onto the tines and bowls...

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-18-2011 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beautiful. Thank you, allentownboy, for sharing that. I especially like the psychological tilt to the custom of "tines down."

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 12-18-2011 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Allentownboy,

Are you sure you don't have the cause and effect backwards? I would think the silversmiths decorated the silverware on (what we think of as) the back because that was the side that faced up, not that people put that side up because it was decorated.

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taloncrest

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iconnumber posted 12-18-2011 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taloncrest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I, too have heard the story that the knife blade faces the diner's plate because facing the other way could be seen as aggressive, but the friend that encouraged my love of silver always said that facing the blade to the right forced the diner to turn it to the left in order to use it, so it should be laid facing left to begin with.

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