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park1226

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iconnumber posted 06-04-2010 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for park1226     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I noticed from the various pictures published on line that a different gilded flatware was used at both the Indian and Mexican White House state dinners hosted by the Obama's. It is a classic standard Threaded pattern and I assume that it is vermeil. The historic vermeil service, with the engraved eagle and beaded edge, that was originally chosen by Mrs. Cleveland and made by Durgin was not evident nor were the mother of pearl handled knives frequently used with this service. Does anyone have any information regarding the background of this new gilded flatware? I would have expected that if indeed was a new state service that it would have received some comment in the press. I assume that it was not rented. Press releases regarding these dinners provided histories for the china and crystal but gave no information regarding the flatware.

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iconnumber posted 06-06-2010 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this:
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Michelle Obama's first White House state dinner: Behind the scenes
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Silver Flatware: “King Charles” Flatware: In 1974, the White House acquired 130 place settings of the well-known Providence manufacturer, Gorham, Inc., then called its “King Charles” pattern (patented in 1893 as “King George”). This flatware is of a rather elaborate 18th-century pattern, variations of which have been made by several companies under the “King” designation. In 2006, Lenox, Inc., then owner of the Gorham molds, was commissioned to make another 170 place settings for the White House. ....

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park1226

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Thank for your reply Scott. I found this quote too, however it was not actually for a state dinner but rather for the annual governors' dinner hosted by the president in February 2009. Here is the link:http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/michelle-obam-1.html
The King Charles sterling is rarely used for bona fide state dinners.

Here is a picture of the setting from the Mexican dinner last month that gives a clearer picture of the new flatware in question.

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chase33

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After tracking down two sources, the flatware was Barabra Bush's gilded flatware. After I found that out, I found another report saying

"The Bushes added to the flatware collection by ordering duplications of the late-19th-century gilded silver flatware in the collection for formal dinners. Made by Kirk Steiff of Baltimore."
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park1226

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Thank you for your reply Robert. The purchase by Bushes that you referenced was for the service pictured below. The original pieces were ordered during the Cleveland administration and produced by Durgin. Replacement pieces, according to the White House curator, were produced by Kirk in 1950 and 1994. This late 19th century service has a beaded edge with the presidential eagle on the handle. The flatware used by the Obamas for the two state dinners, that is the subject of this post has not been seen before to the best of my knowledge.Here is a picture of the late 19th century vermeil flatware first ordered by the Cleveland administration.

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Here is the place where I got this info about the use of the Bushes flatware for the last State Dinner. Seems like they must have gotten it wrong:

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