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Brent

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iconnumber posted 02-08-2000 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a fan of both modern and coin silver, I am drawn to the work of Currier & Roby. C&R made some of the finest reproduction silver in the US. Unfortunately, far too little is known about the company's products. I will try to fill in some gaps, based on available sources and my own observations. Literature sources include Rainwater's Encyclopedia of American Silver Manufacturers, as well as two articles which appeared in Silver magazine in 1983 (Jan/Feb and May/June). These articles were written by Bennett W. Trupin, a one-time employee of the firm. Unfortunately, Trupin spends most of his time praising Mr. Currier, rather than telling us what was produced and how.

Most of the pertinent facts about the firm are presented in Rainwater, so I will not go into too much detail there. Suffice it to say that Currier & Roby was founded in New York City in 1900 or 1901 by Ernest M. Currier and Harry E. Roby. Roby died in 1924, and Currier in 1936, although the firm continued on. They apparent absorbed George A. Henckel & Co., a small "jobber", around 1940, and were themselves incorporated by Elgin Silvermiths, which lasted until 1976.

Currier was a great authority on early American silver. Anyone who has seen a copy of his posthumous Marks of American Silversmiths recognizes it as a splendid work of scholarship. Interestingly, all of the marks illustrated in the book were meticulously drawn by Mr. Currier himself. As one of the articles mentions, Currier was able to illustrate nuances of the marks that even escape photography! Currier was the designer for the firm.

Roby was a well trained silversmith who had worked at several different firms, including Durgin, J.B. & S.M. Knowles, and A.F. Towle before forming C&R. Roby was the one who brought Currier's designs to life.

I have had a chance to examine a number of pieces of Currier & Roby's work. Here are my conclusions, faulty though they may be:

  1. Most pieces are marked with the CR cypher illustrated in Rainwater. That said, I believe that some pieces were left unmarked, to be later stamped by retailers. Robert Ensko of New York was one such retailer (See the Ensko thread in this forum).

  2. The degree of hand work on these pieces is debatable. In one of Currier's writings, he implies that all of their reproductions are formed by machine. That said, I have seen a great Paul Revere reproduction cann that certainly appears to have been hand raised. Roby probably had the expertise to do it, but did he? Currier says that they can mimic the marks of hand raising if desired; perhaps this is an example.

  3. In the Ensko thread is an illustration of Ensko's mark, along with a STERLING stamp. Remember this stamp, with the strange L; it appears on all the C&R sterling I have seen, including pieces otherwise unmarked.

  4. Some pieces are marked PAUL REVERE REPRODUCTION, or have some other notation as to what the piece is a reproducing. It seems that the same stamp was used on early pieces and later production. The cann mentioned earlier, dated 1925, had this mark, as well as two bowls that probably dated from the 70's.

  5. Strangely enough, I have seen the Currier & Roby mark on a very modern, Jensen-esque tray. It was a great piece of silver, and must date from the later years of the company. I would love to know how extensive this production was.

  6. Just this weekend I saw the exact same tray with the mark of the Woodside Sterling Co. (A W in a wreath). What is the relation? Woodside (later Richard M. Woods and Co.) were apparently wholesalers; perhaps C&R used their products to supplement their line.

Any additional pieces or information, particularly regarding the later years of the company, would be very much appreciated.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 05-21-2000 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Add Cartier to the list of retailers who sold Currier & Roby silver. Just this morning I encountered a moderne Cartier dish with the Currier & Roby trademark. Surprisingly, the STERLING stamp was not the one I associate with Currier & Roby; it must be Cartier's own. It seems that C&R would supply silver marked however the retailer wanted.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 12-18-2000 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here is a picture of a piece with the Woodside sterling trademark. The STERLING stamp looks very much like the one used by Currier & Roby. I would love to discover the connection between these two firms; i think there definitely is one!

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 02-27-2005 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was polishing some silver in one of my cabinets and pondered, once again, about this Currier & Roby piece. So I pulled up this old thread and was wondering if any more information has turned up about their more modern style pieces?

Brent commented, "5.) Strangely enough, I have seen the Currier & Roby mark on a very modern, Jensen-esque tray. It was a great piece of silver, and must date from the later years of the company. I would love to know how extensive this production was."

Owned this one for years and still love it's clean lines, definitely looks Scandinavian inspired to me. It's very well made and solid, as is every other C&R piece I've handled. Measures approx. 4" wide and 2-1/2" tall. Weighs in at just under 4.2 troy ounces. Looks especially nice with my enameled Marthinsen Bluebell pattern cream ladle in it. Sorry for all the reflection, quick picture under bad conditions (it's been raining all day here in "sunny" Florida, would have been perfect overcast day for pictures if not for the drizzle).

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IJP

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2005 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IJP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I regret to say that I no longer have this piece and am not able to re-examine the marks, but if memory serves this bell was marked on the inside with "fused" CR-in-a-circle mark as found in Rainwater.

I can't recall if it had any other marks, and I certainly didn't have the foresight to photograph the marks if so. Naturally, I don't come across terribly much from Currier & Roby, so this was definitely a "looker-upper" as it were. It was a neat little piece.

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 03-16-2005 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice bell. I'd say even more "Jensen-esque" than my bowl. Makes me wonder who was designing these pieces.

Cheryl ;o)

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Vi

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iconnumber posted 05-08-2005 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We recently had a classic example of Currier and Roby...a 5 piece tea service on tray. This set was very heavy, rivaling or passing expected Tiffany weight and the style was a "better" Fairfax, if you will. Each piece being a bit better defined and heftier than Fairfax...definitely 1912-1915ish.

Additionally we had a muffineer (sugar sifter) that looked like most muffineers look. It was not especially arts and crafts in design and most would not have picked it out as C&Rm though it enjoyed being a bit heavier than most sugar shakers.

I am quite a fan also and hope to find a piece with the really fine danish/moderne posted in this site by another responder.

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salmoned

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iconnumber posted 06-26-2007 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for salmoned     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A while ago, I bought the bowl in the photos below (and I love it!). Now, a nearly identical bowl (same size, weight, slight design variation) has appeared on eBay with the markings,'Cartier, SIMEON SOUMAIN, Reproduction, Circa 1720, sterling, 509' [Note the same production number]. I have also seen a similar piece with Ensko's mark (unsure of the production number).

What can I do to determine the wholesaler/manufacturer (Currier & Roby, perhaps?)? Also, what approach can I take to determine the original's current location?



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agphile

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2011 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About 25 to 30 years ago we picked up this miniature tankard at a local antiques fair in England but I never got round to checking up on the mark. I hope I have now identified it correctly as Currier and Roby but am just seeking confirmation.

It is nicely made, 1 3/4 inches high and a bit heavier than most miniatures. I would guess it probably dates from around the 1930s and that if it had a practical purpose, it was probably a tot measure.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-17-2011 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is Currier & Roby.
I suspect 1930 is also good.

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2011 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Scott. Nice to get confirmation so quickly!

David

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chicagosilver

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2011 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chicagosilver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a plain ladle with THREE marks, including C&R:
    Currier & Roby
    Potter-Bentley (1928-1933 successor to Potter Studio)
    ONC (Old Newbury Crafters)

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 06-18-2011 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Three marks seems greedy somehow. I can't work out how these might be shared between maker, retailer and (perhaps?) distributor or wholesaler. You sometimes see extra marks on UK items when there has been an alteration involving the addition of a new part but I wouldn't have thought that could apply in this case.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 06-18-2011 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was a silversmith named Theodore Sabroe who was born in Frederikshavn, Denmark in about 1896 and was with Currier & Roby in the 1933. I do not know how long he was with the company altogether though.

There was a twenty-one year old silversmith Fresno, California in 1923 by the same name. I don't how long he spent there or who he may have been associated with at that time, but there was also a Theodore Sabroe who declared his intention to naturalize in California in 1925.

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