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Cheryl and Richard

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iconnumber posted 12-18-2002 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheryl and Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

This napkin ring is at least sixty years old. Rainwater doesn't have the mark; can anyone identify it?

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 12-18-2002 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe this is the work of Ralph Grimm who may have been associated with the Washington, DC Society of Arts & Crafts. Most of his work is highly textured and his bowls are usually fluted.

He worked in copper as well as sterling. I am not certain what the Logo signifies.. The bowl I own has it as well. It also has WRGH which I assume is short for wrought.

Does anyone have information about this short lived Society in Washington, DC?

Grimm may have connection with the Cleveland area. This city had several well recognized silversmiths who were active in the Arts & Crafts Movement.

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Cheryl and Richard

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iconnumber posted 01-14-2003 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheryl and Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cleveland is the origin of the napkin ring, as far as we know, so Fred is on to something.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 12-19-2009 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have found additional information about Ralph Grimm. Grimm was a blacksmith and coal miner who lost both his legs as a private in WWI. Learned silversmithing through the occupational therapy courses at Walter Reed Hospital. Photographs of him appear in "Bordens Dream: The Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington" D.C." by Mary W. Standlee. The photographs show him at his workbench surrounded by his tools and work. He is also shown with Mrs. Calvin Coolidge. Grimm gained notoriety for his ability to go beyond his handicap and open his one business in Washington.

The WRGH used on some of his work stands for Walter Reed General Hospital and I suspect the W in a circle refers to Washington.

Fred

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-19-2009 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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.....The Gray Ladies collected old silver for the solid silver communion service, made by Private Ralph Grim, a double amputee patient who became an expert silversmith in the rehabilitation shops at Walter Reed.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 12-19-2009 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm amazed that soldiers could get this type of training at Walter Reed.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 12-19-2009 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott,That is the picture I spoke of. There is another image of First Lady Calvin Coolidge and him that is in the same book. I have not seen it yet. I spoke to historian Glenn Griffin this morning and he said the mark of the W in a circle shown on the napkin ring is the Walter Reed Hospital logo as well.

Fred

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 12-19-2009 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Occupational therapy for wounded veterans goes back a long way. One of the most common forms was teaching veterans to sew in expectation that they could become tailors. They produced quilts into which they poured their memories and thoughts. These are called patriotic quilts.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 01-21-2010 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott, Thanks for posting the images. It gives us a glimpse into this man and makes the pieces I own by him come to life.
Fred

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 09-23-2013 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I acquired this copper bowl by Grimm and am posting it to show the typical textured finish that is common in Grimm's work

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 09-23-2013 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some if not all of this may be in the book mentioned above, but just in case, I'll add what I have found here:

The W in a circle symbol very much resembles the badge of Pvt Ralph Orion Grimm's Army Infantry Division, the 89th.

He was born 16 July 1889 in Santa Barbara, California and died 23 February 1935 in Washington DC.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 09-24-2013 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bascall,
I believe you have solved the mystery of the W like mark in the circle. It is the insignia of the 89th Infantry Division. It makes perfect sense. I get a tremendous trill knowing this is solved. I will share this with the Arts & Craft Movement crowd. There are only a handful of us who find these things fascinating.

Thanks,
Fred

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 09-25-2013 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Doughboy War: The American Expeditionary Force in World War I
Page 327

Epilogue
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Other thousands, such as Ralph Grimm, a former blacksmith and coal miner, faced even higher hurdles than simple unemployment. Grimm, who lost both legs at about hip level to a German shell in the Argonne, would spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair. Through occupational courses at Walter Reed Hospital in Washington, he learned to become an expert jewelry craftsman and eventually opened his own shop. Some of his even less fortunate comrades, crippled and broken, would end their days in veterans hospitals.
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Cheryl and Richard

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iconnumber posted 01-05-2014 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheryl and Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is certainly a heartwarming end for the story of a fallen hero.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 06-12-2015 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like that bowl, Scott!
This is an interesting thread. I must have missed it before. Thanks for sharing this interesting story everybody! smile

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Cheryl and Richard

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iconnumber posted 07-04-2015 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheryl and Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are delighted to have started such an interesting thread. Thanks, everybody, for your information.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 07-12-2015 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott, I have the same bowl in copper. Grimm used this unplanished finish often in his work.
Fred

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chicagosilver

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Most of the Grimm pieces we've seen have the W-in-circle mark. Here's a totally different one, on a nicely hammered cup with a typical Arts & Crafts applied monogram:

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