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ringboxlady Posts: 95 |
posted 07-08-2002 12:20 AM
  
Hi, This sterling ring box has the words "By Appointment" embossed under the Prince of Wales Plumes. Can you tell me the circumstances for which these words would be used? Thanks, IP: Logged |
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ringboxlady Posts: 95 |
posted 07-08-2002 12:41 AM
 I am so sorry about the picture thing but I will get it figured out. Thanks, IP: Logged |
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Crocodile Mark Posts: 55 |
posted 07-08-2002 01:14 AM
According to a local historian here in Australia, the tradition goes back some 600 years. Currently there is a committee that decides what manufacturers and businesses can be associated with the Queen and other members of the Royal family. These companies must have done business with the Royal at least once and must be able to present the royal member with a discount of 1%. At least this is what was explained to me....... IP: Logged |
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ringboxlady Posts: 95 |
posted 07-08-2002 06:36 PM
Thanks Crocodile Mark. I understand that the companies are granted the warrant to use the crest of any particular member of the Royal family but I wonder what is the protocol for having it made. Did the jeweler just make and use it for display in his store or would the Prince of Wales have had it made and perhaps he had given it ( or several of them) to other royal visitors or could it possibly been used for personal use. See I just don't know what the protocol is for this. I can't find it written anywhere that a member of the Royal family would use such an item personally. I'm thinking it's just for show because why would a member of the Royal family have the words "By Appointment" on something that belonged to them. Wouldn't it just have their crest. What do you think? Ask you local historian if he knows a bit more. Please!!!!! Again, Crocodile Mark, thanks for the response. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-08-2002 06:44 PM
It is simply an advertising device -- the strawberry jam my mother prefers has it, as does my wife's Twilling Tea. I believe Harrod's currently holds the Royal Warrant for boxer shorts. . . IP: Logged |
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ringboxlady Posts: 95 |
posted 07-08-2002 09:29 PM
Thanks wev! So you don't think they made them to sell or use as premiums with the purchase of a ring. It's just simply for their use in the store to let customers know they have the approval of a particular Royal family member? Thanks, IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-08-2002 10:14 PM
Well, I really can't guess at their motivations, but I imagine, if it was indeed made when the discriminatory taste of royalty meant a bit more than it does today, it would be a valuable sales tool. If they were selling a £500 Indian star sapphire ring to a visiting American for example, a £2 silver box would add little against the bottom line, but would paint the piece with a certain cache. I understand that Albert Edward, Prince of Wales was one of the first to cash in heavily on this perception of patronage; it helped alleviate somewhat the need to approach his mother (who was not amused) when the debts of his living grew heavy. IP: Logged |
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ringboxlady Posts: 95 |
posted 07-08-2002 11:23 PM
Nice piece of history there wev! Thanks for the history lesson. What if there was only one of these boxes? What do you think the purpose of it was? I've not seen another, nor have any of the Canadians which I am in constant contact with. It's made by Birks. Any you know POW Edward VIII spent a bit of time there. I am a hopeless romantic and could never be so lucky as to own something with a great history but my imagination will run wild at times. HA Thanks again, you've shed a bit more light on my dark subject. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-08-2002 11:40 PM
Do you happen to know the date of the box? Does it coincide with one of the POW's royal visits? It may have been commemorative in some way. My knowledge of Canadian history doesn't go much further than escaping Royalists and back bacon. . . IP: Logged |
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ringboxlady Posts: 95 |
posted 07-09-2002 12:14 AM
Well as a matter of fact it does. The Birks mark on the bottom was used between 1920-1930's and he did make a special appearance during this time but I've read he was not that well recieved. Just kind of overlooked. I've contacted Birks and they tell me they have no "paper" records before the 60's. I can't imagine that but they say they can't find a thing on it. Now, why would a jewelery for them do this piece and not make notation of it somewhere. One would think if it were a Commemerative piece that it would be well known and that event was in 1927. I just can't figure out the mystery. It's been driving me nuts for 3 years. It was my first ring box and it's still my favorite. I love this brainstorming thing going on. THANKS!! IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-09-2002 12:26 AM
You might try a query to the National Gallery of Canada. Henry Birks gave them his personal collection of early Canadian silver in 1979 along with papers and documents dealing with the Birks Comapny and its origin. Might be a long shot, but who knows? IP: Logged |
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ringboxlady Posts: 95 |
posted 07-09-2002 12:31 AM
I am going to do just that. Thanks for that bit of info. You've really been great to talk to. I'm going to try to find that tomorrow. Thanks, Courtney IP: Logged |
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