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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 05-10-2005 11:22 PM
  
I just recently bought a matching spoon & fork by the Arthur Stone Shop (Charles Brown) and have a question about them. On the stem near the bowl and/or tines it is rounded (I guess that's what you would call it) It is a very pleasing look. I see it a lot on Arthur Stone pieces and was wondering exactly how it is done.  Thanks, IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 05-10-2005 11:34 PM
If I get your question right you are asking how the rounded part of the stem is made on a hand forged spoon? When all the forging is finished to the desired length and thickness a spoon is usually still fairly square or rectangular in form. Where a rounded cross section is wanted it can be roughly hammered by knocking off the corners and then finished up by filing and polishing. Please ask more if I missed the point or am not clear, hope this helps. IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 05-10-2005 11:55 PM
Ok, I see what you mean. I wasn't sure if it was hammered to that shape or filed. Is it more difficult to make spoons like this? Most spoons I see are more squared in this area. Thanks for the response. asheland IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 05-11-2005 08:04 AM
I don't think of it as more difficult, just a different use of time... and what is desired for an end result. Spoon making is hard to master as a beginer but becomes rote and things like speed and accuracy improve as the years go on. I have a feeling that the questions you want to know would all be cleared up if you could see a spoon being made. It is really quite a simple process. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 05-11-2005 08:38 AM
It not the same as seeing a spoon being made (live) but have you seen the prior post: Spoon Making Sequence IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 05-11-2005 11:07 AM
I agree with Agleopar... The rounding of the corners is a mater of taste. I too have Stone flatware and much of it has the corners chamfered and smothed off. Some feel it is for comfort in use. My preference is for the crisp and not sharp edge. The image you posted shows a dark line in the center. Is this just a reflection or is the dreaded metal fold?....
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 05-11-2005 09:42 PM
Hi and thanks for the replies! I agree, seeing a spoon made probably would help. And yes, I have seen the post of Fred's spoon making sequence, I really like that thread. I have seen similar illustrations in books, but hope someday to see it done in person. And no, thankfully it is just a reflection in the picture, and not a fold crack. I am amazed at the precision and quality of Charles Brown's spoons. I now have three pieces by him. asheland IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 05-11-2005 11:50 PM
I too have enjoyed this and was very happy to see Freds spoon post which I missed when I came aboard and perused old posts. Ashland you probably know that Peter Ericson is making spoons with his grandfathers tools (from Stones workshop) and was trained by him in Gardiner MA Also Middletom and the great folks at Old Newbury Crafters, I think, will give a demo and they still do it right! IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 05-12-2005 08:28 AM
Yes, If I were ever in that area, I would love to visit those shops. Do you think they allow people to come in and watch the spoons being made? IP: Logged |
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middletom Posts: 467 |
posted 05-12-2005 05:14 PM
Yes, we do allow visitors to come in and watch us work. We get tired of looking at one another, so new faces are always welcome. IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 05-13-2005 09:11 AM
If I’m ever in the area, I’ll be sure to stop by. I actually have another question and it happens to be an ONC piece that I’m curious about. It’s the Oakleaf pattern. I notice the hammering from the front side to the back is totally different. The front side’s hammering is very similar to pieces I have by Lebolt. Do you use a special hammer for that effect?  Thanks again, IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 05-13-2005 11:25 PM
Middletom, while your at it,can you elaborate on how the design is struck? IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 05-16-2005 11:18 AM
Agleopar, Take a look at the images taken by Scott and June on their visit to ONC. The last image shows the swage used to make the oakleaf design. The design was created by Knut L. Gustafson of Chicago and the rights to reproduce it were purchased by ONC from his widow. Fred IP: Logged |
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middletom Posts: 467 |
posted 05-16-2005 04:10 PM
Asheland, Yes, those hammer marks on the front of the Oakleaf pieces are applied with a special, polished hammer used just for that purpose. The die or swage with the Oakleaf design is placed in the base of our foot operated drop hammer, the piece of silver is held over the swage and is struck by dropping the weight to which a hammer face attachment is mounted. That strikes the design well and cleanly. IP: Logged |
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middletom Posts: 467 |
posted 05-21-2005 05:50 PM
In rereading things, it has just occured to me that when Swift Barnes listed Gunnar Andersen in ONC liturature as K. Andersen, he may have mistakenly used Knut Gustafson"s first initial. When I spoke to him recently, he couldn't recall why he had Andersen listed with K as first initial. IP: Logged |
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