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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 08-27-2009 04:17 PM
  
    Here is a bit of a mystery item. It is a small wine or cordial cup of good weight, standing 4 1/4 inches tall. It has clear hammer marks on the interior of the bowl and foot, and the bowl appears to be fully had raised, with no seams. The piece is also completely lacking in marks, other than some cryptic numbers lightly scratched inside the foot. The piece has an engraved griffin crest with the motto "VINCIT PERICULA VIRTUS". This transaltes to "Virtue Conquers Danger". Though the piece is early in style and clearly hand made, the motto is quite crude and seems 20th C to me. Also, there is no patina of age. So, any ideas as to where it might come from? There was a recent discussion in the coin silver forum about a piece with an engraving that looked Oriental and new-ish. I wonder if this might also be a recent fake from the Orient? Brent IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 08-28-2009 02:47 AM
It is not only the Orient to think about. There are places in Italy, England and Chile that offer to produce silver to order. There is also the possibility that this is a copper piece that has been plated. The Google consensus is that the motto belongs to the Brady family. Could be provincial Irish. Not much help here. IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 08-28-2009 06:11 AM
Should not also rule out South America. Peru, Mexico, Argentina? IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 08-28-2009 08:18 AM
My copy of Fairbairn's Crests attributes the Griffin crest to Brady of Cambridgeshire among others. It attributes the motto to families that do not have the Griffin crest or the Brady name. However, Irish Bradys clearly do claim the motto. I would guess that a Brady somewhere, perhaps in the USA, has adopted the crest from one line of that name and the motto from another. If so, Irish provincial seems to me a less likely origin for the piece than some of the others suggested. I would be inclined to agree that it is perhaps a newish item made to order in one of the workshops around the world that offer this sort of service. [This message has been edited by agphile (edited 08-28-2009).] IP: Logged |
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