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asheland

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iconnumber posted 10-05-2009 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just bought a small sterling bowl by Gyllenberg & Swanson. I haven't had many pieces by them. Can anyone confirm if this piece would have been raised by hand? I am assuming they did everything by hand like the Stone shop, but I am not totally sure. Does anyone have any comments about them?

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 10-05-2009 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


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bascall

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iconnumber posted 10-05-2009 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case you haven't already done so, searching the forums for the makers names should be very useful for you. Excellent acquisition.

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 10-05-2009 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By Hand is a slippery term. I heard (read?) that the Stone shop in fact sometimes spun its bodies on large bowls and the like and then hammered all the details. Spinning is a rather difficult hand process, but much easier and faster than raising an entire piece by hand.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 10-05-2009 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check out the Dedham Museum website. There is quite a bit of information about the two silversmiths.

The bowl is a modification of a Revere bowl and it was handwrought. Raised from a single piece of silver and the base applied.

I believe I see a "kernel" in the center of the bowl.

Fred

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 10-06-2009 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some vital statistics and etc. on these two
gentlemen:

Frans Julius Reinhold Gyllenberg born 10 June 1883 in Malmo, Sweden; immigrated in 1904 and naturalized in 1908.

Alfred Henry Swanson was born 24 May 1899 in Massachusetts.

In the 1920 U S Federal Census for Dedham, Massachusetts, Frans was boarding with Alfred's family and Alfred was working as a milk tester. Frans was listed as a silversmith with an art shop. Like Frans, Alfred's parents were Swedish immigrants.

By the 1930 U S Federal Census for Dedham, Massachusetts, Alfred is listed as a silversmith with his own shop.


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asheland

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iconnumber posted 10-06-2009 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone! Very interesting indeed.
I have never heard about the Stone shop spinning vessels, was that just on the large pieces, like punch bowls, etc.?

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 10-06-2009 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I recall..... Gyllenberg eventually abandonded silverwork for automotive repair. Information gleaned from the Dedham archives.

The Gardner Museum has video and dvd copies of a 1920's silent film made at the Stone shop. I have seen portions of this film and it is excellent. The filn documents the raising of a bowl and the forging of a spoon.

Fred

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 10-06-2009 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's also a video cassette entitled "Silversmith of Williamsburg" that concentrates on a coffee pot being raised if you can get your hands on it, and of course still have access to a VCR.

Here's their address if you want to give them a try for a this copyright 1971 tape: The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation, PO Box 1776, Williamsburg, VA 23187-1776.

I just bought the tape on sale a couple weeks ago and have watched it twice and will no doubt watch it many more times.

Then again if it's the Stone shop that interests you most; maybe this tape is not such a good idea. The silent film production does sound good.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 10-06-2009 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, I have the Colonial Williamsburg tape. I absolutely love the video, I just wish they would convert it to DVD.
I will check out the Stone DVD for certain!
Thanks!

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 10-07-2009 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There exists a version of the Stone silent movie that has a narration written by Herman Glendenning and spoken by a professional narrator.

Fred

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 10-07-2009 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to convert my copy of the Williamsburg tape to a dvd. If it works out well enough, I'll let you know and maybe if it's permissable, we can discuss doing one at cost for you.

Eventually, I'll keep all this sort of thing on thumb drives and after that maybe something even better.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 10-07-2009 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FYI

Thumb drives or flash memory is not as stable as most people assume.

Depending on the manufacturer's QC and design spec's there is a limited number of reads/writes for thumb drives or flash memory.

Also they can be damaged (similarly to a hard drive) by static and magnetic fields.

A cd/dvd is more stable but they also degrade.

Data professionals that are responsible for long term data storage put on a schedule a dupe/refresh of all magnetic (disk/tape) and optical data storage media. I don't know of any long term data storage being done on thumb drives or flash memory.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 10-07-2009 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the advice Scott. I was leaning toward thumb drives simply because of thier ever inrceasing capacity and portability.

Maybe by the time I get around to doing any large scale storage on thumb drives the stability issue will be cured?

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-24-2018 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Smithsonian - Oral history interview with Herman Glendenning, 1979 Aug. 9-Oct. 31

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