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vathek

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iconnumber posted 08-10-2015 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Picked up a very nice tea strainer with marked as shown in the title. Don't have time for pics right now but does that ring any bells?
It is a hand made vintage American piece.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 08-10-2015 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The seller of this tea strainer is speculating the maker as Th. Ottosen & Son.
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It's marked "SILVER 950" on the bottom, and has the initials "T.O. in a diamond shape, possible indicating the manufacturer as Th. Ottosen & Son, of Denmark, 1955 - 1973.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 08-10-2015 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Scott, that's the makers mark, but I wouldn't have thought it was Danish.

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iconnumber posted 08-10-2015 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it is marked zilver and might be what got the seller thinking Denmark.

As I recall Zilver is often found on Norwegian silver. Is this what others recall?

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 08-11-2015 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can be frustrating to attempt identification without a picture of the actual piece - but frankly, would be surprised if the item is other than Japanese, most likely post WWII. The 'SILVER 950' mark is typical of Japanese silver and atypical of American or Scandinavian. Have seen other Japanese marks in a similar lozenge shape several times, including the fairly common 'CPO', often attributed to the U.S. military 'Central Purchasing Office' or the 'Central Processing Organization', used on items sold at PXs and approved for export to the U.S. - it sometimes appears with other maker's marks. The Takano ads shown below, from 1919 and 1920 repectively, were posted on another silver forum - believe they show your maker's mark.

A tea strainer with a very similar bowl to the one referenced by Scott was found online, with an Asian floral design handle rather than plain, bearing the 'Asahi Shoten' mark and 'STERLING 950', another very common Japanese mark.

Personally, can't recall ever running across 'ZILVER' on any Scandinavian silver...

~Cheryl


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iconnumber posted 08-11-2015 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheryl,

Thank so much for the explanation and documentation. That is excellent and thoughtful research.


You are also most likely correct about my "zilver" recollection. Perhaps I am confusing what I have seen in print (Dutch/Norwegian ?) with what I have seen on silver.

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 08-11-2015 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Scott, not sure I'm seeing where you're finding a Dutch/Norwegian connection - 'zilver' is Dutch for 'silver', can't recall seeing it actually stamped on silver from the Netherlands, but it's possible ('silver' is 'sølv' in both Norway and Denmark).

~Cheryl

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iconnumber posted 08-11-2015 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I barely speak American much less good English. wink

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iconnumber posted 08-11-2015 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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vathek

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iconnumber posted 08-13-2015 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope to post a pic soon, although mine is distinctly signed Sterling, not 950.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 08-13-2015 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I keep trying to upload pics to my smp gallery but keep getting request rejected messages. They are 72dpi with the largest size at 630 pixels. I didn't have a problem last time.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 08-14-2015 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I made several more tries without success. If it's any help this is what I get:
"your support ID is 6034 1454 8601 4273 021"

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 08-17-2015 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems the problems with uploading was because I was using the multiple uploader. When switching to one pic at a time it worked.

I know the makers mark seems very similar to the Japanese example posted above but I'm still not sure.


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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 08-18-2015 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for figuring out the image issue.

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2015 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is Japanese, with a typical plum-blossom motif, the mark is Takano (sans-serif 'T.O' in lozenge) - below is a very similar piece bearing the mark of another Japanese maker, Asahi Shoten, along with 'STERLING 950'...

~Cheryl

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2015 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again Dragonflywink, I've learned two interesting things today.

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