SMP Logo
SM Publications
Silver Salon Forums - The premier site for discussing Silver.
SMP | Silver Salon Forums | SSF - Guidelines | SSF - FAQ | Silver Sales

The Silver Salon Forums
Since 1993
Over 11,793 threads & 64,769 posts !!
20th/21st Century Silversmiths Forum
How to Post Photos REGISTER (click here)

customtitle open  SMP Silver Salon Forums
tlineopen  20th/21st Century Silversmiths
tline3open  Arthur Stone Baby Flatware

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

ForumFriend SSFFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Arthur Stone Baby Flatware
asheland

Posts: 925
Registered: Nov 2003

iconnumber posted 01-04-2016 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am pleased to add this set to my collection!

I know there were other animals on the baby silverware. I've seen Squirrels, Rabbits and Elephants. Were there others used by the Arthur Stone shop? Does anyone have pictures? This will certainly be a fun theme to collect! smile


IP: Logged

agleopar

Posts: 847
Registered: Jun 2004

iconnumber posted 01-04-2016 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ashland,

Stone baby flatware is the best! Sweet, lovely and so well made.

I have seen a few you mention over the years but can't help with more. The other non baby spoons that stick in my memory are tea spoons with flat chased and pierced flowers. My grand mother had a snow drop.

I have to say that the flat chasing is so perfect and Arthur Stone was such a master of that discipline that I wonder if all such little marvels were by his hand alone? Was there another chaser in the shop before or after he died that could do it? If all such were done while he was alive I think that would answer the question...

For those who might not understand the difference between flat chasing and engraving -
The finished spoon is set in hard pitch after the design is marked out. The chasing is done with a small sharp (not to cut but to impress a delicate fine line) chasing punch and a very light weight chasing hammer. The art is to make a line that has a clean look with no variation or hammer marks showing.

Engraving creates an almost identical line by cutting and removing silver as the sharp engraver is pushed through the metal.

The difference is that with the chased line the expert also controls a tiny ridge of metal that is pushed up above the flat surface of the spoon, like a plough through a field. The raised bit can be controlled to be on both sides or one as seen in the close up image of the rabbit. It gives a subtle but effective 3D look that engraving never has.

P.S. Stone trained as a chaser and his master piece done in copper of a standing knight in full armor, about 6 inches tall, done at the age of 14-15 is perfection! Flat chasing is an art that intimidates some capable chasers... well at least one I know!

IP: Logged

seaduck

Posts: 341
Registered: Dec 2006

iconnumber posted 01-04-2016 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is a wonderful set!

And now I'm learning more about chasing, too! What is "flat chasing" relative to the descriptions Agleopar just gave? When the silver is pushed up is it somehow removed?

And where did you see the knight? I just tried to do a search but came up empty handed.

IP: Logged

asheland

Posts: 925
Registered: Nov 2003

iconnumber posted 01-04-2016 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The chasing work is indeed terrific!

Thank you for the detailed write up. The art of silversmithing never ceases to impress me!

IP: Logged

agleopar

Posts: 847
Registered: Jun 2004

iconnumber posted 01-06-2016 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seaduck sorry if I was not clear, it is hard to write about technique. The main difference between chasing - of any kind and engraving is that the chaser pushes metal around, the engraver cuts it away.

Flat chasing is only done from the front as opposed to relief chasing which also involves "repousse" - to push from the back.

I too tried to find an image of the Knight but came up empty. I saw it years ago at a very comprehensive show of Arthur Stones work at the Clark art museum in Williamstown MA.

I bet someone has the catalogue...

IP: Logged

taloncrest

Posts: 169
Registered: Jun 2004

iconnumber posted 01-07-2016 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taloncrest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a copy of Arthur J. Stone, designer and silversmith by Chickering, and there is a standing knight in copper shown from 1896. The masterpiece illustrated is a three part piece with flat chasing, bas-relief, and repousse in different motifs. All are beautiful. I'm trying to get scans of them, but I'm having to do it while I work, so it will be a while.
Edit: These are not great quality, and this is probably not the knight you are looking for, but here they are.

[This message has been edited by taloncrest (edited 01-07-2016).]

IP: Logged

Scott Martin
Forum Master

Posts: 11377
Registered: Apr 93

iconnumber posted 01-07-2016 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An example by Erickson.

IP: Logged

Polly

Posts: 1939
Registered: Nov 2004

iconnumber posted 01-07-2016 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really interesting--thank you for the great description of the technique, Rob!

IP: Logged

asheland

Posts: 925
Registered: Nov 2003

iconnumber posted 01-08-2016 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great example, Scott!
I have a sugar spoon that's similar from the Stone shop but by Erickson.

IP: Logged

asheland

Posts: 925
Registered: Nov 2003

iconnumber posted 01-08-2016 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, where's Fred?
I bet he would like these... smile

IP: Logged

agleopar

Posts: 847
Registered: Jun 2004

iconnumber posted 01-08-2016 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taloncrest, I think that's the knight, a good image would show the incredible detail. Also the 3 practice pieces are an example of such a high level of skill.

Thanks Polly!

Ashland, I think Fred is teaching on the west coast, he spent the last month making 12 portable anvils and forging hammers that needed shaping and polishing in preparation.

IP: Logged

asheland

Posts: 925
Registered: Nov 2003

iconnumber posted 01-11-2016 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh! That's cool. smile

IP: Logged

FredZ

Posts: 1069
Registered: Jun 99

iconnumber posted 01-14-2016 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is wonderful to have both the spoon and fork. I have also seen examples of a knife that matches. Stone chased a variety of animals onto these children sets. I too have a single spoon by Stone and forged by Erickson. Examples of Stones chasing are wonderful examples of his mastery of the process. The sets of 5-clock spoons with decorations of a variety of flowers is a true treasure. I am off to teach in the morning.

IP: Logged

asheland

Posts: 925
Registered: Nov 2003

iconnumber posted 01-20-2016 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice to see you here, Fred!
I want the knife now! smile

IP: Logged

asheland

Posts: 925
Registered: Nov 2003

iconnumber posted 03-20-2017 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Added this new piece today!
(George Erickson made this one while at Stone)


[This message has been edited by asheland (edited 01-27-2020).]

IP: Logged

asheland

Posts: 925
Registered: Nov 2003

iconnumber posted 01-27-2020 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A new addition:

Thanks Scott! smile

[This message has been edited by asheland (edited 01-27-2020).]

IP: Logged

Scott Martin
Forum Master

Posts: 11377
Registered: Apr 93

iconnumber posted 01-27-2020 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FYI

IP: Logged

All times are ET

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:


Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a


1. Public Silver Forums (open Free membership) - anyone with a valid e-mail address may register. Once you have received your Silver Salon Forum password, and then if you abide by the Silver Salon Forum Guidelines, you may start a thread or post a reply in the New Members' Forum. New Members who show a continued willingness to participate, to completely read and abide by the Guidelines will be allowed to post to the Member Public Forums.
Click here to Register for a Free password

2. Private Silver Salon Forums (invitational or $ donation membership) - The Private Silver Salon Forums require registration and special authorization to view, search, start a thread or to post a reply. Special authorization can be obtained in one of several ways: by Invitation; Annual $ Donation; or via Special Limited Membership. For more details click here (under development).

3. Administrative/Special Private Forums (special membership required) - These forums are reserved for special subjects or administrative discussion. These forums are not open to the public and require special authorization to view or post.


| Home | Order | The Guide to Evaluating Gold & Silver Objects | The Book of Silver
| Update BOS Registration | Silver Library | For Sale | Our Wants List | Silver Dealers | Speakers Bureau |
| Silversmiths | How to set a table | Shows | SMP | Silver News |
copyright © 1993 - 2020 SM Publications
All Rights Reserved.
Legal & Privacy Notices