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vathek

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2000 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has always been my understanding that the big east coast firms such as Wood and Hughes would job out silver to the south and midwest that was frequently unmarked so that it could be marked by the retailer. Would like comments re: this. Thanks

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 03-14-2000 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting topic! In my experience, a lot of flatware made for "export" carries the manufacturers trademark and the eventual retailer's name mark. Personally, I have not seen that much flatware in an identifiable pattern (i.e. Wood & Hughes, Gorham, Whiting, etc.) that does not have the manufacturer's trademark on it somewhere. Even John Polhemus and Henry Hebbard flatware usually has a J.P. or H.H. PATENT mark. One exception is John R. Wendt, whose flatware usually just reads 925 PATENT.

That said, there is a lot of pattern coin flatware simply marked COIN, most of which was probably made in the East for sale in the sticks. The manufacturers for a lot of these patterns are currently unknown. We probably know their names, but can't currently link them to particular patterns.

On the holloware side, there is quite a bit of machine-made coin that has no manufacturer's trademarks at all. It is strange that the manufacturers would not have marked holloware, but there it is. The sources of this holloware, usually rather thin and easily damaged, are still uncertain.

That said, we can not discount the fact that regional silversmiths did purchase and operate mills for pattern flatware. Jaccard of St. Louis did make their own flatware, at least in part, and I'm certain there were several others with the same ambition. These regional manufacturers are probably the source of some of the COIN -only flatware we encounter.

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Trefid

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iconnumber posted 04-06-2000 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trefid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's been my understanding that San Francisco firms, particularly Schulz & Fischer, ordered unmarked Gorham and other major manufacturers' flatware, and then proceeded to embellish (or not, I suppose) and stamp it with their mark. I have two Gorham ANTIQUE ENGRAVED lunch forks--one marked [lion] [anchor] [G], one not--and both are stamped "SCHULZ & FISCHER." No one can ever be sure if Gorham or S&F did the engraving.

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