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akgdc Posts: 289 |
posted 09-10-2001 10:53 AM
  
Does anyone have any information about the alliteratively-named William W. White, a silversmith in New York City in the early-mid 1800s? I mainly collect European silver, but recently bought a set of tablespoons by White to give as a wedding gift to friends who live in New York. I'm sure they'd enjoy knowing when he worked, where his shop was, etc., but I don't have any books with this kind of information. The spoons are typical c.-1830s fiddle pattern tablespoons with nice shellbacks on the bowls and the mark "Wm. W. WHITE." Thanks for any help you can give. Adam IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4126 |
posted 09-10-2001 11:11 AM
William Wilson White worked at 111 North Second Street in Philadelphia c 1805. Around 1820, he moved to New York City, setting up shop at 70 1/2 Bowery Lane, staying at that location until 1841. He was listed in New York directories from 1826 till 1850 as a silversmith and watchmaker. After 1840 he was working as Wm W. White & Son, but I find no new location listed. IP: Logged |
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akgdc Posts: 289 |
posted 09-10-2001 11:17 AM
gee, thanks for the lightning-fast reply. It'll be great to include that information with the spoons when I give them to my friends, who live not too far from where White had his shop. I get the impression he was a not-especially-distinguished silversmith, just a solid workmanlike fellow turning out spoons for the NYC bourgeoisie. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4126 |
posted 09-10-2001 11:42 AM
My pleasure and pardon me for not welcoming you to the group. As you say, he was a good craftsman and, to judge by the length of his career in one location, successful. I have a number of his spoons and they are all well- made and of good weight. I have never seen any holloware bearing his mark; perhaps he kept to what he new best and left more ambitious work to others. Has anyone seen work other than flatware? IP: Logged |
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akgdc Posts: 289 |
posted 09-10-2001 11:59 AM
Glad to be part of the group. By the way, I notice that White's address puts him smack in the middle of what's now the Chinatown jewelery district in New York City. I wonder if it was a similar sort of commercial strip (albeit a bit more Anglo) 175 years ago. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 09-24-2008 07:45 AM
Especially in regard to the following directory entry, this information may refer to more than one William W White, but here's some more information on the name: William W White is listed in the 1857 New York City Directory as a jeweler with a home address of 68 Bowery Lane, so it seems possilbe that his shop was still at 70 1/2 Bowery at that time. William W White is in the 1850 U S Federal Census for New York, New York listed as a jeweler and his son Edward P is also in the household and a jeweler. William is in the 1860, 1870 and 1880 U S Federal Census's for New York, New York and is listed as a jeweler, retired merchant and retired merchant respectively. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 09-24-2008).] IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2363 |
posted 06-22-2023 04:21 PM
   This is another piece of flatware made by William White. I have never seen hollowware by Mr. White, but he did make nice flatware. I do not know when these sugar shovels became popular; except that it probably was after sugar was sold in granular form. They do make good scoops for jellybeans. IP: Logged |
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June Martin Forum Master Posts: 1335 |
posted 06-22-2023 06:57 PM
Thanks, ahwt, for sharing this example of White's work. What a nice piece. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2363 |
posted 06-23-2023 04:31 PM
 The owner of this William White sugar shovel must have been in the brewing business. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11558 |
posted 06-23-2023 05:04 PM
Below is a modern day diamond (gem/bead) shovel. You sometimes find a silver spoon's bowl similarly shaped. The engraving often reveals it was a gift/presentation to a Diamond Merchant/Jeweler. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2363 |
posted 06-24-2023 08:07 AM
  This is another shovel type spoon. This spoon really looks like a miniature version of what I remember as a coal shovel; the overhang was great for catching lumps of coal. This spoon is dated 1825 and the only maker I could find for that time with Co. at the end of their mark was John Lawrence and Company. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11558 |
posted 06-24-2023 09:19 AM
I suspect above "coal" form was for salt/sugar. IP: Logged |
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