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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 06-18-2002 06:55 PM
  
This is one of 4 teaspoons made by William Roe and flanked by two eagle-like psuedohallmarks. The bowls are wonderfully fluted and the handle is brightcut. There is a space for initials and it appears that they were not engraved with them. The drop is swaged. The narrow portion of the handle above the bowl is carefully filed to a tapering chamfer from the bowl to near the end of the handle. Have others come across these psuedohallmarks with items by Roe? IP: Logged |
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Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 06-18-2002 07:49 PM
Hi there Fred, Is this the 19th Century William Roe from New York City..? If it is, He enjoyed using decorations around his mark..I see his mark with a sheaf, and also with a floret. Reference again, from Mr. John McGrew's "Notes on 3 and 4 part Pictorial House Marks" Marc Cutcher IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 06-18-2002 10:06 PM
Marc, The research I have come across indicates the same pseudohallmarks as you mention. Tha is why I am posting this here. The W R seperated by a pellet and with a V notch in the bottom of the pellet and a notch to the right of the R is identified as one of the marks of William Roe in the Darling book of New York Silversmiths. Some of the other spoons have clearer marks. I was unable to find where I have put them to make an image of the better marks. I am hoping others will have seen these eagles. IP: Logged |
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maysine Posts: 2 |
posted 11-22-2004 09:51 PM
I am an amateur genealogist not a silver person so please excuse me if this is a "dumb" question. I have a coin? silver spoon which I believe belonged to an ancestor who lived in NYC from 1804 to 1845. It is a 9" serving/table spoon with the marks W [raised dot]Roe in one box and what I first thought was a centipede in the other box. After reading the preceeding posts I looked at it again and turned it 90 degrees. It could be a wheat sheaf on its side. Is the maker William Roe and how can I find information about him? Thanks! IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 11-23-2004 09:03 PM
It is great to see questions by others not connected with the silver circle. William Row did use a sheaf of wheat mark with his initials. He worked in Albany, New York in 1776, Kingston in the early 18th century. Also the cities of Troy and New York City. I suspect your spoon was made by William Roe. An image would help confirm it. Fred IP: Logged |
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 11-24-2004 01:18 PM
William Roe has interested me for some time, due to the fact that in Jackson a William Roe is listed as an Irish silversmith from Cork, and a W. ROE mark is attributed to him. The presence of a "STERLING" stamp accompanying the Roe mark makes me believe that there was in fact a Cork silversmith that used a W.ROE mark. So, are we talking about one person, maybe a silversmith who came to this country from from Cork, or two separate people? More to the point, are some, if not all, of the pieces attributed to the American William Roe actually Irish? Brent IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 11-24-2004 01:28 PM
William and his brother James, also a silversmith and clockmaker, were born to William and Eleanor Roe of Philipse Patent, Dutchess NY. Both brothers served as officers in the Revolution. I have long been frustrated trying to trace their line further. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 11-24-2004 06:29 PM
Here is William Roe's most frequently encountered mark. It appears most frequently on coffin-fiddle teaspoons made in the first decade of the 19th Century. The W•ROE mark often appears along with an elongate sheaf of wheat mark oriented to be read with the handle held upright, so that when the name is horizontal, the sheaf of wheat appears on its side. It is often worn, with only the irregular edges of the sheaf showing clearly, so I can see how it might look like a centipede. There is a photo in Belden's Marks of American Silversmiths . . . . IP: Logged |
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maysine Posts: 2 |
posted 11-28-2004 10:00 PM
Thank you all for the information about William Roe. He apparently worked early enough and in the right area that my ancestor could have had one of his spoons. I don't have a digital camera, so I can't offer a picture of the spoon at this time. Some of my confusion about the ownership of the spoon was due to the monogram - GJT. I couldn't find any one individual with those initials. Now I think the monogram was a combination of the husband's and the wife's initials. My ancestor Gideon Tucker married Jemima Brevoort. Was it usual to use the given name initials of both spouses along with the husband's surname initial? IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 11-29-2004 01:37 PM
That use of the initials is absolutely typical. I would say you have interpreted it directly IP: Logged |
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