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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 06-30-2002 02:39 PM
  
Here is one of the unknowns I posted on the general silver forum by mistake. I have provenance on these, but I will wait and see what people know before I reveal it. The maker is no doubt the same but the marks are different. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 06-30-2002 03:56 PM
A very handsome pair of cups. I can not make out the marks too well, but the second looks like CC for Charles Carpenter; the engraving of the monogram is very similar to pieces of his work I have seen. It appears to be a copy of the more sophisticated device on the first cup, but it could be vice versa. The mark on the first looks like a cursive EP or EG, but doesn't ring a bell. I'll be interested to see what you can tell us. IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 06-30-2002 04:25 PM
quote: I have always read the marks as GG but they are not well struck, I was told of another set which I was told also was read as GG. The mark is listed in "Silver in Maryland" as C G Griffith, but I don't believe that is accurate, nor does it particularly fit the original owner. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 06-30-2002 05:26 PM
GG is certainly possible, as is CG. I do not find a GG attributed to Griffith in Maryland Silver, only C. G. GRIFFITH. Were you thinking of Cesar Ghiselin, perhaps? His mark, if worn, could pass muster. IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 06-30-2002 06:53 PM
A wonderful cup. I wish to point out that the dimple in the center of the bottom of the cup is known as a "kernel" and designates the center of the disc used to raise the item from a single sheet of silver. The kernel is not obliterated by the hammering of metal, even when it is planished to smooth uniformly over a stake. is it the size of a julep cup? Thanks for the images you sent. IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 06-30-2002 10:44 PM
I should have included sizes, the first cup is normal beaker size, the second is more like a jigger, and are sometimes called a camp cup. The mark is illus 109 page 255 of "Silver in Maryland" catalogue by Goldsborough but as I said I don't doubt the attribution is erroneous. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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