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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 11-02-2002 08:23 PM
  
I picked up a pair of dimunitive Fiddle Tip't coin silver spoons. Perhaps they are toy spoons or just really small teaspoons. They are marked "WARREN." Does anybody have any ideas about Warren? I didn't locate a Warren in wev's silver family tree. [This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 11-06-2002).] IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 11-06-2002 02:13 PM
Here are some pictures of one of the spoons & the mark. Any ideas? IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 11-06-2002 02:43 PM
Another from the ranks of the many unrecorded retailers, I suspect. I don't remember seeing a double-swell that small before. Perhaps it was a store give-away or premium of some kind. [This message has been edited by wev (edited 11-06-2002).] IP: Logged |
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melissa unregistered |
posted 11-06-2002 05:00 PM
There is a George A. Warren listed as a manufacturer and jeweler at 7 Tremont Row, Boston MA in Green's Jewelers Trade Cards, reference made from his personal collection. Unfortunately, he does not give a working date; this form was popular for years. Could it be a 5 o'clock spoon, rather than a tea or demi? IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 06-03-2008 06:49 PM
There's a silversmith named William S Warren who was born in North Carolina in 1825 and settled in Zionsville, Indiana in 1871 if that does you any good. IP: Logged |
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 06-04-2008 07:09 AM
OK so I am a dummy. What is a 5 o'clock spoon and where did the name originate? Thanks again. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 06-04-2008 12:36 PM
quote: This is unlikely, as the style of spoon principly was made throughout New England, most frequently in Boston and Providence. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 06-04-2008 01:42 PM
Swarter, the fact that the image is up again wouldn't have helped me anyway, so thanks for the insight. IP: Logged |
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ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 06-05-2008 01:12 PM
argentum asked about the five o'clock spoon. My understanding is that this was a slightly smaller tea or coffee spoon used for late afternoon "tea", and that an alternate name for them is "afternoon tea spoons". I think they came into use at the height of piece specialization, the fourth quarter of the nineteenth century. Noel Turner on p. 206 mentions them in connection with gift/presentation sets: quote: IP: Logged |
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ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 06-05-2008 01:20 PM
On p. 231 of Turner's American Silver Flatware, there's an illustration from a catalog of teaspoons offered in four lengths, in addition to the smaller 'P.M. Tea Spoon'. Unfortunately, there's no date attached to the image. Turner also mentions on p. 223 in a discussion of child's pieces that manufacturers could offer the same spoon as a child's spoon, a "Five O'Clock Tea", an "Egg Spoon", or an "English Tea". IP: Logged |
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ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 06-05-2008 01:24 PM
I wouldn't have expected to see something as old-fashioned looking as the double-swell fiddle tipt spoon in the picture marketed as a "five o'clock tea spoon", but my ignorance is vast. Bearing that in mind, it's my impression that child's pieces were made and sold well before the explosion of different size and functions of place piece, so my guess would be that it's a child's spoon. IP: Logged |
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