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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 11-06-2002 02:16 PM
  
Here are two spoons I picked up over the weekend. I'm not sure about the maker of either. 1. Unsigned; somehow the handle of this one seems a little out of proportion. The silver is really flimsy. 2. Marked "O & S", lion, sovereign head. The only O & S I found in my limited coin mark library was for Oakes & Spencer of Hartford. That mark, however, was not in a jagged rectangle. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 11-06-2002 02:37 PM
Belden shows exactly the same marks for Oakes & Spencer. As noted, they worked in Hartford and advertised there in the Connecticut Courant from 1811 to 1819. They offered a full range of goods including japanned wares, britannia plate, watches, jewelry, and silver work. The partnership was dissolved in 1820. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 11-06-2002 06:00 PM
Spurred on by this post, I have done some digging today and have now added both Frederick Oakes and Nathaniel Spencer to the tree -- thank you Paul! Frederick Oakes (1781-1855) have two partnerships before Spencer. The first was with Nathan Allyn until 1804 and second with David Greenleaf from 1804 to 1807. After his years with Spencer, he continued alone until 1830 when he sold his stock and trade to his son Henry. In 1804, he had married Mary Pratt (a first cousin of Levi Pitkin and Nathaniel Olmsted) and they had six children together, three of whom followed his trade: Henry, William, and Frederick Jr. In addition to silver work, he was heavily involved in real estate development and scientific farming. The latter was so successful that the Hartford County Agricultural Society presented him with a handsome tankard made by H & A Goodwin. Oakes continued on in Hartford until about 1846 then apparently moved to Nyack NY, where he died. Nathaniel Spencer (1788-1823) first comes to notice in Hartford with the partnership of Oakes & Spencer. In 1817, he married Maria Danforth, the daughter of Jonathan, grand daughter of Thomas, and great grand daughter of Thomas Danforth, three members of probably the most successful family of American pewtersmiths of the 18th and 19th century. At the end of the Oakes partnership, Spencer worked on his own from a shop four doors north of the old stand until his early death at age 35. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 12-22-2008 11:07 AM
For what it is worth, Frederick Oakes is listed in the 1850 U S Federal Census for Hartford, Connecticut as a silversmith. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 12-22-2008 11:18 AM
That would be Frederick, Jr. Is William listed, as well? IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 12-22-2008 12:27 PM
It is whoever you wish to declare it is, but this Frederick Oakes, silversmith, and his wife Mary were both born in the early 1780's. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 12-22-2008 12:57 PM
Well, that's the tricky thing about census records -- you can tell the recorder just about anything you'd like and they can interpret it just about any way they'd like, then as now. Frederick Senior had retired from the trade by 1830 and become a prosperous gentleman farmer, turning his shop over to his three sons. IP: Logged |
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 12-22-2008 02:03 PM
Paul For some reason I only see 'red x's' in place of photos. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 12-22-2008 02:08 PM
Paul seems to have dropped them from his server. I already let Scott know, so hopefully we can restore them from an old backup. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 12-22-2008 02:21 PM
My point was that this was Frederick Oakes "Sr," and inspite of the depravity of all the parties involved, it still seems valid. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 12-22-2008 05:33 PM
A William Oakes who is in the correct age range and a jeweler is in Hartford in 1850. On the same census page, Austin Ward is there also together with an Ephraim Clark; both are listed as silver smiths in their late teens. A Henry Oakes who also looks right age wise is in Hartford in 1850 and listed as a merchant. The younger Frederick is not to be found in the trades or anything closely related. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 07-23-2009 03:36 AM
Silversmiths Austin Ward and Ephraim G Clark were listed in the household of jeweler Thomas Steel in the 1850 U S Federal Census for Hartford, Connecticut. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-23-2009 10:17 AM
Are any details given for Ephraim -- age, place of birth? IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 07-23-2009 12:47 PM
Ephraim G Clark was eighteen and born in Connecticut in the 1850 Census. There is an Ephraim G Clark in the 1870 U S Federal Census for Macon, Georgia who was a watchmaker and who has about the same vital statistics as above. There's also an Ephraim Clark in Mobile, Alabama who is listed as a watchmaker in the 1860 U S Federal Census. His vital statistics are off some, but not enough to cause serious doubt. The southern silver collectors probably have the whole story on this gentleman. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 07-23-2009).] IP: Logged |
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