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Trefid

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iconnumber posted 02-22-2003 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trefid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The above gravy ladle carries an "L & C" maker's mark that is unknown to me. Does anyone recognize it?

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 02-22-2003 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Trefid--

That L & C mark is the exact mark I have on 2 napkin rings matching your "IDOL" flatware pattern. You sent me a picture of a youth set in that pattern by Coles & Reynolds. I can't find my napkin ring pictures, but I took the liberty of posting your IDOL pattern page below.

So it seems the C probably stands for one of the Coles--now if we can just find out who that L is.


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Trefid

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iconnumber posted 02-22-2003 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trefid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is consistent with my thoughts, Paul, since I lifted that enlarged "L&C" mark from a pattern that has ties to an Albert Coles pattern.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 11-05-2008 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
 May 3, 1871 Gilbert E Coles and David J Reynolds formed a copartnership, Coles & Reynolds. Their business was to continue the manufacture of silverware at the old stand, corner Franklin and Elm Streets, and they were to  assume the accounts of McLoughlin, Coles & Co.
 
On the same day Nicholas McLoughlin, Gilbert E Coles, and William O'Connor dissolved the firm of McLoughlin, Coles & Co.

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Trefid

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iconnumber posted 11-05-2008 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trefid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Bascall--
What is the source of your information? Had you ever heard of McLoughlin, Coles & Co. before? If so, do you know anything more about them?

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 11-05-2008 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My pleasure! The source was an announcement in the 31 May 1871 edition of the New York Herald.

Concerning McLoughlin, Coles and Co, no, they were new to me, and there's nothing else that is indexed about them in the newspapers that I could find.

McLoughlin and Coles are listed in the census's as silversmiths.

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nutmegr

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iconnumber posted 11-06-2008 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nutmegr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The pattern of your ladle, Trefid, seems to resemble a Knowles and Ladd attributed pattern I've seen called "Crete Engraved." It's not exactly the same, but quite similar. This is merely a shot in the dark, I just wanted to suggest Samuel Ladd as a possibility for the "L" in the "L & C" mark. He joined K & L in 1864, and retired in 1875, does anyone know (wev?) what he was doing before?
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iconnumber posted 11-06-2008 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Samuel Ladd was working for Webster & Knowles; he was made a partner in 1859, the firm becoming Webster, Knowles & Ladd.

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