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iconnumber posted 04-15-2003 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

On this cup, John Campbell from Montgomery Alabama has his mark stamped over a single flower. The cup is 4 ˝” high, has a 3 ˝” top diameter, and a 3 5/8” bottom diameter. The handle is similar to that on many cups identified in the “Made in Alabama” book as made by Wood and Hughes. My first question is whether the flower impression is one that has been connected with a particular manufacturer. A second question is whether handles can be used to identify manufacturers of cups or were there companies that specialized in the manufacture of handles and sold their product to others. For example, could the silversmith that used the flower as their mark, have simply brought the handle from another silversmith, attached it to a cup and then sold the finished product to John Campbell.

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iconnumber posted 04-15-2003 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for labarbedor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never seen the flower mark before, but it is more likely a journeyman's or employee's mark. It wouldn't be much of a maker's mark, since it wouldn't identify, in any real way, the maker. However a larger producer could tell which of his workers made a particular piece that his maker's mark was then added to.
Handles were usually specific to the silversmith, but not always. Not only could they be purchased but also could simply be copied by making a cast of a handle you liked. Parts especially banding were often supplied by a manufacturer to a number of silversmiths, especially in large metropolitan areas like Phila. or N.Y.
Finally on cups before 1850 cups were somethimes specific to an area. Thus much like 18th century porringers you can sometimes recognize Mo. cups just by the handle.

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iconnumber posted 04-16-2003 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maurice, That is a good point. The use of a flower does not creat the same impression or impact as the marks one normally sees. It is a good explanation that the purpose of the mark was different. Thanks Art

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