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Brent

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iconnumber posted 05-28-2003 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here is a rather nondescript fiddle teaspoon with two different marks, neither of which I can find in any of my references. The first is up under the shoulders and has the letters JBS in a circle. The other reads [R.A. BAIRD], with an accompanying eagle mark. Note the lack of crossbars on the A's, making them look more like inverted V's

Does either of these marks ring a bell with anyone? For some reason I am thinking midwestern, maybe Ohio, Michigan, or Illinois. It is just a guess, though. I am open to any ideas. Thanks!

Brent

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wev
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iconnumber posted 05-28-2003 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both the JBS and the Baird mark are shown in Cutten's North Carolina. He was, evidently, a member of the firm of Glass & Baird of Raleigh c 1805, but nothing else is known, though Cutten supposes some connection with David Baird who was working in Raleigh at the same time. No explaination is given for the JBS.

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Regardless of where this spoon was sold, this particular eagle mark indicates that it was made in Philadelphia. It appears mostly on spoons sold and marked by retailers in and around Philadelphia, but sometimes gets rather far afield. Whoever made them for resale did a land office business. It has been speculated in the past that there was an unidentified guild of Philadelphia silversmiths who used this mark,or that is was a standard mark, but it is may well prove to be a trademark of one as yet unidentified manufacturer. I am not familiar with the other mark, but a mark at the base of a bowl may be that of the manufacturer, as is usually the case with spoons that may be later than this one.

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cbc58

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iconnumber posted 11-20-2019 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw this spoon by Bernard Dupuy of Raleigh, NC advertised and with the permission of the owner, obtained this pic. Do you think this was also made in Philadelphia or could there have been a silversmith from there that came to NC and brought this punch with them? 2 different silversmiths from Raleigh, NC...

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iconnumber posted 11-20-2019 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dupuy, like scores of other makers and jewelers, bought standard goods in Philadelphia with this wholesale mark.

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ahwt

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Above is a list of dealers that sold items with the Philadelphia eagle mark. This page is from John McGrew's book.
To my knowledge no one has identified the silversmith that made these items.

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ahwt

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I thought that Catherine Hollan would solve The Philadelphia eagle mystery; but even her excellent research has not revealed the identity of the actual manufacturer of these items. This link shows a basket of flowers design and a sheaf of wheat design that I think are unique to the Philadelphia eagle manufacturer. I have looked for quite a long time for one item that has one of these designs and was made by someone who might be the maker rather than the retailer. I have never found a good candidate.
Ms. Holland in addition to her other excellent books on silversmiths has one entitled “Eagle Marks on American Silver” that I recommend.

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cbc58

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iconnumber posted 11-21-2019 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the replies and information. I'll have to pay more attention to eagles from here on out.

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