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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 04-27-2004 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We just got a beautiful set of 6 coin spoons. The pseudo mark: Anchor Star Head.
I just went through Belden's Marks of American Silversmiths and found this mark attributed to several different smiths. Some of the marks in Belden have a five pointed star others a six pointed star. Occasionally there is an additional mark. Most often the attributed smiths name is also found.

In Belden:

Five Pointed Star

  • William Boyd & George B. Hoyt, Albany, NY page 70
  • John Wolfe Forbes, New York, NY page 172
  • Green Hall, Albany/New York, NY page 208
  • Chauncey Johnson, Albany, NY page 249
  • William Stoddard Nichols, Newport, RI page 315
  • James D. Philips, Cincinnati, Oh page 335

Six Pointed Star
  • John Wolfe Forbes, New York, NY page 172
  • Philip H. Furman, Schenectady, NY page 180
  • William M. Savage, Columbus, Oh page 373
  • Edwin Stebbins, New York, NY page 392
  • Noah Stoddard, New York, NY page 395
  • William I Tenney, New York, NY page 405
  • William M. Wise, Jr., Brooklyn, NY page 452
Our spoons are also marked Newland & Jones

I admit that I haven't done any more investigating other than paging through Belden.

What does everyone think; is this the pseudo mark of a smith that worked for many other smiths or ?

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iconnumber posted 04-27-2004 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is undoubtedly one of a number of unregistered trademarks of New York manufacturers who sold to the trade; their marks usually appear in combination with those of the retailers who sold them, or alone, if the retailer failed to mark them himself. Only a few of these manufacturers have been identified with certainty, and it cannot be assumed that a name that appears along with the trademerk is that of the manufacturer. A search of Silver Magazine archives on their web site for articles by D. Albert Soeffling might turn up something, as this has been an area of interest for his researches.

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iconnumber posted 04-27-2004 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. I know that WEV feels pretty much feels as you do.

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WEV posted 11-18-2001 04:00 PM

That is what I suspected. I have pieces with the same sequence of psuedohallmarks by:

  • Henry Bayeux (tablespoon, teaspoons)
  • John Wolfe Forbes (fork)
  • Philip Furman (placespoon)
  • Alexander Hascy (tablespoon)
  • Peter Hayes (placespoons, teaspoons)
  • William Stoddard Nichols (tablespoon)
  • William Whitlock (salt spoon, teaspoon)

Given the range of working dates and locations, I doubt this indicates a common maker, rather the coincidental use of a popular set of marks.


Then does this suggest that Belton's use of the term silversmith is possibly synonymous with retailer? Or is it that many "Silversmiths" may not have been makers at all but rather were retailing others original works and doing repairs?

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iconnumber posted 04-27-2004 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think her use of the term merely reflects how the person advertised himself - or was listed in tax lists, censuses, etc. - certainly the hundreds of advertisers who characterized themselves as "watchmakers" never made a watch, but merely cleaned and repaired them. Then, again, many practicing silversmiths also are known to have retailed products of other makers to supplement the offerings of their own production. By the later 1840's most had probably devolved to merchant status.

I should add, that while there has been speculation in the past that some of these marks signified "guilds" or associations of silversmiths, this has never, to my knowledge, been estabvlished. I believe the weight of evidence now is that any one set of marks belongs to only one of these manufacturers, some of whom had very large productions, although I am not entirely satisfied that some may not have used more than one combination, as the meaning (if any) of these symbols marks has never been established for most (George Sharp is an exception).

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I have come across this mark (5 point star) on a spoon that has the makers name, and it looks to me that the style of spoon would date it to around 1805-1815. (Tipped fiddle spoon with no shoulders).

Is there any information on when this series of marks was first used? Tks in advance.

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iconnumber posted 06-20-2018 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Photo please.

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iconnumber posted 06-21-2018 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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iconnumber posted 06-21-2018 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This closeup might help


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iconnumber posted 06-22-2018 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

This is the information that is included in McGrew's book.

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iconnumber posted 06-22-2018 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahwt,

Thank you for the information. What is the title of that book? Looks like something I should try and get.

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iconnumber posted 06-22-2018 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The mark may be for John Cook of New York and Boston.

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iconnumber posted 06-22-2018 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The book is Manufacturers' Marks on American Coin Silver by John R. McGrew. It was privately published.
The address I used was:
John R. McGrew
355 Park Heights Blvd.
Hanover,PA 17331-4037

His phone is 717/632-6244. I brought this over 10 years ago so you may want to call him to make sure that his still is address.

McGrew also wrote several article for Silver Magazine about the basket of flowers pattern. I think you can get reprints of these articles from the Silver Magazine.

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iconnumber posted 08-07-2018 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just ordered John McGrew's book and the extension on the zip code is listed as 4037... not 6244. fyi

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