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t-man-nc Posts: 327 |
posted 07-22-2004 04:04 PM
  
Bought a old bleeding bowl, that has a Shield cartouch with a crown, over an "AT" and what apperas to be a little bird or something. I cleaned it up and it is quite pretty, I an goint to try to get a picture of it and try photo bucket again. I found the mark in Flint and Fales, but wanted to know if there is any additional info on him.... Thanks "Smaug" IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-22-2004 04:17 PM
Kane's Colonial Massachusetts has quite a bit; was there anything in particular? Does the porringer (more likely than a bleeding bowl) have a monogram? Kane lists 8 in public collections. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 07-22-2004 05:43 PM
Kane lists 71 known surviving pieces (only 16 of them spoonos), and there have been a few spoons in auctions lately. Tyler's earliest pieces are dated to 1715, and he died in 1741; his porringers span this time period. Even though porringes are not nearly as rare as your covered sugar bowl, any Colonial holloware this early would have to be a treasure. Sounds like you just might have done it again! Take pictures! [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 07-22-2004).] IP: Logged |
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t-man-nc Posts: 327 |
posted 07-22-2004 06:36 PM
I hope i do this right... IP: Logged |
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t-man-nc Posts: 327 |
posted 07-22-2004 06:37 PM
these seem too big on the page ... any idea what I did wrong...? "Smaug" IP: Logged |
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t-man-nc Posts: 327 |
posted 07-22-2004 06:54 PM
Thanks for fixing the pictures WEV, does the marks and the look seem right to your eye? Remember my eyesight is not near what it used to be... "Smaug" IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-22-2004 07:11 PM
Your welcome. The mark image is a little too fuzzy to say for sure. Its placement, centered inside the bowl, is the same as that on the porringer shown in Buhler's American Silver, which also has, in the lower portion, a similar handle. The handle on yours looks like it was altered at some time, perhaps to dress up a broken bit -- if original, those four points would be pretty uncomfortable in the hand. It is hard to tell, is the cross-hatching done over another set of initials? I think, ala the Brasher bowl, it deserves an in-hand inspection. As Swarter said, if right, you've done it again and I may have to stop talking to you entirely. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 07-22-2004 07:41 PM
Your eyes were good enough to find the thing in the first place, after all, so they can't be that bad (mine aren't all that great anymore, either, but a magnifying glass helps) The letters in the shield aren't all that clear, but the shield shape, devices, and what can be seen of the letters seem to be consistant with one of his recognised marks. So it is likely that you have got it right. Nice find. It is a "keyhole porringer," typical of the period, and so named for the elongate, tapering hole that should be present at the top of the handle. These handles are cast, and cast silver is somewhat brittle, so the down side is that the handles sometimes get broken; the tip of this handle has been broken off, and the tips of the three broken loops, including the one that enclosed the keyhole, appear to have been smoothed off. Other than that, it looks to be in great shape - better than some I have seen which have been pretty badly battered (you can just see some little kids banging them on the table: "More! More! I want more!"). Some porringers had a hard life. Old pieces often have interesting histories. Can you tell if the hatched area adjacent to the initials obscures another set? As objects change ownership, there can be additonal initials added. One might wonder if a later owner did not want the original owner's initials to be seen - and if so, why? You can imagine all kinds of scenarios, but I suppose there could be another explanation. --------------------------------- After posting this reply, I saw that wev had posted a similar one while I was compsing mine -- it seems we think alike, but he is faster. [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 07-22-2004).] IP: Logged |
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t-man-nc Posts: 327 |
posted 07-23-2004 10:21 PM
there was initials under the Cross hatching at one time but it is so light that I cannot make it out with a sixteen power loop. The "E Star D" is on the handle as in the picture. Later on a "MTG" was bright cut on the side of the bowl. Thats about all I know, but the history always make me wonder.... "Smaug" IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 10-17-2014 10:59 AM
What a great find! :-) IP: Logged |
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