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designdv

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iconnumber posted 10-02-2004 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for designdv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,

Some questions that bewilder me about coin silver, of which I know next to nothing, include:

Why the interest in Southern Coin Silver as opposed to Coin Silver in General?

What is the qualifier for Coin Silver? Maker Location or Provenance of Owner? OR must it have both?

I have pieces of coin flatware, monogrammed and the maker mark is E.C. Barlow. Would anyone know if this is the mark of a Southern Coin Silversmith?

Provenance: Belonged to William Simpson Oldham, a Texas Senator during the Civil War, in honor of whom Oldham County, Texas is named. There is also a book about the Senator's adventures during the Civil War.

So if the makerof these pieces is not Southern, would this still be considered Southern coin because of the provenance?

Any help would be appreciated. I will check back hoping for help in my confusion. My e-mail is designdv@swbell.net. Thank you for taking time to read this.

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iconnumber posted 10-02-2004 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The term "coin silver" has been rather loosely used, refering first to silver made from melted coins, and later to silver made to the standard used in US coinage (90/1000 as opposed to Sterling, which is 925/1000).

Southern silver tends to commsnd higher prices than equivalent contemporary Northern silver because of its comparitive rarity, due to the fact that the rural South was less populous than the urban North, as well as the fact that much earlier Southern silver was destroyed or looted during the Civil War, and then the economy was in ruins after it.

Edward Callistus Barlow began work in Georgetown, Kentucky in 1850. He fought with the Union Army in the Civil War, after which he operated a jewelry shop. Much of the silver and jewelry he sold is believed to have been purchased in the East for resale, as he made repeated trips there to buy stock for his shop. He advertised as a manufacturing jeweler as late as 1894. A lengthy biography is to be found in Boultinghouse's Silversmiths of Kentucky.

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designdv

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iconnumber posted 10-02-2004 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for designdv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How very interesting. I appreciate the time that your answer required and your thoughtful response.

Great answers that reveal my true ignorance. So if I follow the premise that rarity makes the difference between Southern and other silver, then those silversmiths whose works were distributed primarily in the South would be most coveted, I suppose. Again, following that line of thought,since Barlow's pieces were distributed in the East - might it be considered commonly available, not even hard to find and certainly not rare?

In the event Barlow's work is not hard to find, does proof of Southern provenance restore some any merit? I suppose I'm basically back to subject line regarding Southern provenance vs maker.

Again, I do genuinely appreciate your time. Thank you.

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iconnumber posted 10-03-2004 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not think that his silver was distributed in the East, but that he is known to have purchased silver in the East to take back to Kentucky for resale there.

Rarity and merit are unrelated. No matter where it was produced, silverwork could be meritorious on not, depending on the skill of the maker.

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iconnumber posted 11-12-2008 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to possibly fill in the picture a little, in 1870 Edward C Barlow's son James W is listed as a clerk in the U S Federal Census for Georgetown, Kentucky, and in 1880 he is listed in the U S Federal Census for Georgetown, Kentucky as a jeweler.  Edward and James made up the firm Barlow & Son.

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iconnumber posted 11-12-2008 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lot of Southern silver was made in the North but sold in the South. This is true of a lot of Northern and Southern silver with Northern or Southern makers marks but actually made in England. Then as now sellers/retailers tried to keep cost down to maximize profit. Whether Southern silver was made in the north or the South the price is generally higher due to the Southern attribution. Also age, i.e. Colonial Southern or the silversmith actually being a Southern silversmith would probably enhance the value although I can not say that for certain. Enjoy your silver no matter where it came from or who made it.

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