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florida_bob Posts: 54 |
posted 12-12-2004 02:06 PM
  
The following eBay lot (which has closed) seems to prove that it was "A. C. Burr" who was in partnership with "S. W. Lee" as "Burr & Lee" (and not Ezekiel Burr). All silversmith references that I have examined (Flynt & Fales, Kovel) state that it was Ezekiel Burr. It's a shame that there no longer exists an appropriate journal to publish this type of information in (like the old Silver Magazine back when Robert Alan Green was active). Here is the eBay lot: quote: Bob M. [This message has been edited by wev (edited 06-07-2006).] IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 12-12-2004 02:29 PM
Well, I'm not too sure about that. Albert Chapin Burr was not born until 1809, beginning his apprenticeship under Erastus Cook in 1819 in Rochester NY. The BURR & LEE partnership ran from 1815 to 1819 in Providence RI. By 1822, Lee had moved on o Rochester, where he worked with Salmon Scofield as SCOFIELD & LEE until 1825. From 1825 to 1850 he worked alone in Rochester, then moved to Allens Grove WI; whether he followed the trade there has not been established that I know of. I suspect the piece was made in one shop and sold in another; perhaps Burr or Lee had a special order and, lacking the swage, bought the goods out, a not uncommon practice. [This message has been edited by wev (edited 12-12-2004).] IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 12-12-2004 03:01 PM
Just wanted to add that there is no family connection between Ezekial Burr and Albert Chapin Burr -- two different lines. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 12-12-2004 03:15 PM
A typical apprenticeship lasted 7 years, and a boy did not usually enter into it until about 13 or 14 years of age, so most began working independently around age 21. If ACBurr was born in 1809, he would not have begun marking silver on his own before about 1830. Also, spoons decorated in this fashion, swaged with the basket of flowers or sheaf of wheat, tend be later than the Burr and Lee partnership, so wev is undoubtedly correct on both points. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 12-12-2004 03:39 PM
And enjoyed a very short career -- he died in the 1832 Cholera epidemic. To correct my hasty typing: he was born in 1806, not 1809. IP: Logged |
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florida_bob Posts: 54 |
posted 12-12-2004 07:41 PM
By the way, the main reason that I am interested in this silversmith partnership is because S. W. Lee countermarked coins (I have one of the coins, but no image). Bob M. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 12-12-2004 07:47 PM
Father or son? Samuel Waters Lee, Jr worked in Rochester c 1845-1865. IP: Logged |
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florida_bob Posts: 54 |
posted 12-12-2004 10:31 PM
The countermark is the same mark seen in the image above (on the eBay spoon). That is all that I know about it so far. Bob M. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 11-11-2008 12:54 AM
The New York Evening Post reported on Friday August 24, 1832 that Albert Chapin Burr previously of Hartford, Connecticut died on Monday. Albert and his father and mother were all the victims of an asiatic cholera outbreak that had struck Rochester, New York. Vital Records show an Albert C Burr (Maj) age 27, died 8/19/32 of cholera in Rochester, New York. The population of Rochester, New York in 1830 was less than 10,000, and Timothy Burr (Albert's father) was the only Burr head of household that shows up in the 1830 U S Federal Census for Rochester, New York. IP: Logged |
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 11-11-2008 08:36 AM
Welcome to the world of Early American Silver. There are as many questions as there are answeres and nearly as many incorrect attributions. Remember books are static as revisions and corrections generally do not keep up with the advent of recently discovered information. Some authors do not do a good job of verification but rely upon other references for their information. Those which are scholarly have taken a long time to get into print as gleaning information from old records is a daunting task. One must do omnes own research i.e. cross referencing, comparing dates, verifying most recent data, etc. And even then your conclusions may or may not be on target. I would agree with those before me as they have spent quite a bit of time and effort. Enjoy your spoon and always but always keep an open mind. I on the other hand am always right; if you believe that have I got some swampland to sell you. Joke,joke,joke. IP: Logged |
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