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Marc

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2005 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all,

I just picked up a neat coin silver porringer marked twice, once on the bottom of the bowl and once on the bottom of the handle with the maker's name D.C. DENHAM in a rectangular cartouche. On the top of the handle is a period script monogram and date of 1825.

I am not finding much about Mr. Denham in the "Marks of American Silversmiths", by Belden, othere then that he was working c. 1820
and was wondering if there is more information about him out there somewhere? I passed on a matching spoon by him, because of the condition.

Thanks for the help, in advance.

Marc Cutcher

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2005 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe, and this is very tentative, that he is Daniel Chase Denham (or Dunham in some records) fo Newport RI, born 13 Nov 1798, died 14 Sep 1854. I have found no concrete records, only family anecdotal evidence.

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2005 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just found an old note to myself that the Newport Historical Society records a Daniel Dunham, silversmith, but with no indication of date. I never followed this up (too many makers, too little time), but will do so now.

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2005 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have just spoken to the Newport Historical Society and Daniel Chase Denham/Dunham did indeed run a jeweler and silversmith shop there c 1820. They are going to assemble additional information and post it to me; I will follow up when it arrives.

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2005 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Wev,

I will be picking up a soup / table spoon that came with the porringer early next week. I left it behind because it had been used hard.

Thanks for your help so far.

Marc

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2005 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi.. I thought it would be nice to see a few photos of this piece....Marc

porringer in question. body is 4" in diameter.. length over handle is 6 1/2".
Height is 1 7/8".


engraving and date on handle

side view of this piece

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2005 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not your typical keyhole handle - I don't recall seeing one quite like it, which just might indicate that it is an original and not from a commercial supplier. If not, it should be traceable to the actual maker. Nice piece.

The side view looks rather deeper than your measurements would indicate - is the aspect ratio of your photo correct as posted?

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 07-09-2005 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again...

Yep.. No matter how I measure it it is still 1.875" high (or deep). You know .. that is deeper then most of my other poringers, and the aspect as seen in the photo is correct.. I held the piece at the same angle in front of the photo to check.

Marc

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iconnumber posted 07-09-2005 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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An Illustrated Dictionary of Silverware
By Harold Newman
1987
Page 41-42


    bleeding bowl. Bowl with pierced handle, Exeter, 1704. Wellcome Collection, Science Museum, London.

bleeding bowl. A small, shallow, flat-bottomed bowl with straight or slightly convex sides, and having one flat, horizontal, triangular, pierced handle extending from (or near) the rim. Such cups, from 10 to 13 cm in diameter, have been said to have been employed by barber-surgeons in the 17th and 18th centuries for bleeding a patient. Although some writers have doubted such usage, some old engravings depict such bowls with surgical instruments, thus confirming their use; but bowls can be identified as having served this purpose only when horizontal, graduated measuring lines are present on the interior. Bowls so used have a capacity of not more than 3 fl. 02. (85 ml), the maximum amount of blood formerly taken in blood letting. The form resembles that of the larger porringer, the smaller tea measure, and the even smaller asparagus butter-bowl and wine taster. It has been sometimes called in Britain a 'cupping bowl', but incorrectly, as in cupping the blood was drawn by a vacuum, usually into a glass receptacle. It has been suggested that some early pieces in such form may have been made to serve as the cover of a skillet, but this has been repudiated. Some were donated to churches and used as an alms dish. See Charles Noon, 'Bleeding Bowl or Skillet Cover?' in The Connoisseur, January 1942, p. 142.


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iconnumber posted 07-09-2005 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Were they still bleeding people in the 1820s?

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iconnumber posted 07-09-2005 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would hope not.
Sometimes old habits die hard.
Quackery is still a problem today.
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iconnumber posted 07-09-2005 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Phlebotomy: The Ancient Art of Bloodletting
[mtn.org/quack/devices/phlebo.htm - link gone from the Internet]

By Graham Ford
Museum of Questionable Medical Devices

The practice of bloodletting seemed logical when the foundation of all medical treatment was based on the four body humors: blood, phlegm, yellow bile, and black bile. Health was thought to be restored by purging, starving, vomiting or bloodletting.

The art of bloodletting was flourishing well before Hippocrates in the fifth century B.C. By the middle ages, both surgeons and barbers were specializing in this bloody practice. Barbers advertised with a red (for blood) and white (for tourniquet) striped pole. The pole itself represented the stick squeezed by the patient to dilate the veins.

Bloodletting came to the U. S. on the Mayflower. The practice reached unbelievable heights in the 18th and early 19th centuries. The first U.S. president, George Washington (George Washington and 18th Century Medicine Bloodletting,)
[geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3122/washington.html - link gone from the Internet]
, died from a throat infection in 1799 after being drained of nine pints of blood within 24 hours. The draining of 16-30 ounces (one to four pints) of blood was typical. Blood was often caught in a shallow bowl. When the patient became faint, the "treatment" was stopped. Bleeding was often encouraged over large areas of the body by multiple incisions. By the end of the 19th century (1875-1900), phlebotomy was declared quackery.

A variety of devices were used to draw blood .....


CNN story about Blootletting today eek

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 07-10-2005 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BLECH..!

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 07-12-2005 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that a silver porringer from the 1820s is a remarkable holdover. My understandaing has always been that porringers were outmoded by the end of the 18th century- in silver at least, tho' pewter ones were made well into the 1800s. So this one is interesting for several reasons. By the way, I have never heard of an American porringer referred to or used as a bleeding bowl.

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iconnumber posted 07-12-2005 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silver Lyon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The porringer, in this form with one flat side-handle, both in the American Colonies and in Britain developed from the lid of the mid c.17th skillet. It doubled up as a cover and a dish from which to sup the contents. Quite why these fairly common pieces of domestic plate became known widely as bleeding bowls is beyond me.
Somehow they became associated as birth gifts in the American Colonies and continued to be made and used in that connection continuously through to the present day. This did not happen in Britain where they had fallen from fashion by about 1720.
I will try and find a picture of one 'in situ' on its skillet and post it.

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Bowls with graduated volumetric lines around the inside are known as bleeding bowls. They are commonly made of pewter, and, like Silver Lyon, I do not recall ever having encountered one in silver. Roger Hornsby, in his Pewter of the Western World illustrates a number of these of various types, two of which are of straight-sided "porringer form" with single porringer handles. It is this type which probably gave its name to the English single-handled form of silver porringer, with the two-handled form retaining the appellation of "porringer." Others are cup shaped (the practice of blood-letting was known as "cupping.") or plain graduated bowls.

The practice of blood-letting by physicians to eliminate "evil spirits," or later, "poisons" from the body of sick persons persisted longer than most of us now realize, with the associated use of leeches for blood-letting in barber shops by "barber-surgeons" persisting well into Victorian times. Recently, there has been a reintroduction of the practice in hospitals, which now use medicinal leeches to reduce persistent edema.

The use of true porringers in silver as household items in America persisted for about a century longer than in England. A number of 19th Century examples (both Federal and Victorian) have been offered on ebay in the past several months. Nineteenth Century American examples in pewter turn up with much greater frequency than the much scarcer silver ones, having been made in great numbers both here in America and in England for export to America well into that Century. Barber shop leech jars turn up too, usually unrecognized as such, in antique malls, markets, and shows, with much greater frequency than true bleeding bowls.

Manufacture of porringers, both in silver and pewter, has never entirely ceased, being made and sold even today primarily as decorative objects, although they have been pressed into service for various practical uses such as ashtrays and paper-clip holders.

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iconnumber posted 07-13-2005 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there once again..

To let you all know, there is a fiddle handled spoon that goes with the porringer.. Same maker and also period engraved and with a date of "1825" just under the monogram.

So... it looks like if this were a bleeding bowl, the vampire involved knew his etiquette, and how to use the propper spoon, and not to drink directly from the bowl.

Well really, it appears we have a childs bowl and matching spoon that has made it down through a family, without being split up. Does not happen often..

Marc Cutcher

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iconnumber posted 02-01-2008 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The son appears to have served in the civil war and at sometime either before or after the war took up the jewelry trade which he continued in until at least 1897.

After having another look at the younger Daniel C Denham, I see that he was listed in Newport, Rhode Island business directories under jewelry and watches initially in 1864 and through 1910. He is listed in the 1910 Newport census and his occupation is given as none.

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Is there a photo of the mark?
A French company has been raising and harvesting medicinal leeches for a long time. Now the US FDA is requiring all newcomers to submit applications. It is a fresh water critter that is now used primarily post skin graft and reattachment surgeries. With all of our knowledge these critters are still the best(only) way to relieve blood congestion in the arteriole/capillary vascular system. The primary cause of skin graft failure is failure of blood supply in the arterioles hence the capillaries. Arterioles carry a few corpuscles side by side whereas capillaries carry a single cell one after the other and whose walls are semipermeable to the blood cells feeding individual body cells.
Nice piece of silver you got there. By the way I remember my greatgrandmother telling stories about being chased out of her dads office while he was bleeding someone. That would have been around 1860.

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Daniel senior married Sarah Lydia Sherman. Her grandfather, Peleg Sherman (c 1730-1788) is apparently termed a "goldsmith" in his grandfather Eber's will (listed in Rhode Island Vital Records, which I do not have access to). I have never seen a reference to him in the literature -- has anyone?

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It appears that Peleg Sherman (c 1709-) married Sarah Chase.

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The deputy clerk of the probate court in Newport, RI informed me that there is an estate record for Ebenezar Shearman on file there that can be viewed or copies purchased. I'll get my daughter who lives in Middleton to take a look at it for members of the family that are of interest or look at it myself the next time I'm up there to visit.

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