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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 08-27-2005 01:42 PM
  
I just acquired a fiddle-and-thread sugar tongs (the first of that pattern I can recall seeing); marked by HINSDALE which is either Epaphras (worked Newark, NJ, died 1811) or his son Horace (worked Newark and NY, until 1830 or so). So my question is: when did the fiddle-and-thread design first appear on flatware? I can't do a picture here, but will try to get one later on at work. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 08-27-2005 01:54 PM
Epaphras and Horace were brothers, not father and son. HINSDALE alone was Horace's mark, used after Taylor & Hinsdale (the NYC branch office of E. Hinsdale & Co) closed with his brother's death in 1810. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 08-27-2005 09:02 PM
How do you know they were brothers? The sources I used in researching the Newark jewelry industry (which Epaphras Hinsdale is said to have founded in 1801) name Horace as E's son. Epaphras died in 1810 (or 1811) and Horace carried on. I just was thinking that the HINSDALE mark couldn't be E's, because fiddle and thread is later than 1810...I'll check out those other sites. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 08-27-2005 09:23 PM
Epaphras was born in 1769, son of Barnabus and Magdalen (Seymour) Hinsdale of Hartford CT. Horace Seymour was born 7 Oct 1782, the last of their 8 children. Horace married Sarah Ogden 30 April 1806 in Newark. Epaphras married twice (Elizabeth Bowen of Hartford and Elizabeth Camp of Newark), but I've found no record of children with either. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 08-29-2005 10:19 AM
This is great information; where'd you find it? There are several Hinsdale things in online auctions right now, which makes me wonder where, all of a sudden, this came from. The vagueness of Fiddle and Thread's "start date" isn't helped by any source I've seen--but it seems to be later (i.e. post 1820) than earlier, from what I can tell. So these tongs would more likely be Horace, even tho' none of the (old) sources I have suggest that the HINSDALE mark is anything other than Epaphras. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 08-29-2005 11:03 AM
Just part of my genealogical project. Hinsdale items (flatware, at least) are actually rather common on that online auction. I have not seen any with the HINSDALE mark early enough in style to be given to Epaphras. Belden notes the same. Horace's career deserves more attention; it is quite convoluted, with a number of overlapping and concurrent partnerships. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 05-27-2008 12:55 AM
quote: Ulysses, in case you haven't already looked at this documentation, here's the location of an Epaphras Hinsdale (1769-1810) biography: The journal "New Jersey History" Volume 61, pages 170-171; will pages 96-98. Not having seen this volume myself makes it somewhat difficult to recommend, but here's hoping it will contain useful information. IP: Logged |
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