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Icebear

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iconnumber posted 11-13-2005 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Icebear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a coffe pot which is about 9 inches tall with the marks TH stamped twice on the bottom. It has a flower/eaf surrounded monogram with the initials of a family member from about 200 years ago. I have the original seeming black ebony handle. The 'cylinder" of the pot is plain silver but the spout is fluted and the top is sort of like a artichoke. Anyone have any ideas. My father's family was from the NYC area and had a great deal of silver most of which I can id. Any help with this ?

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Icebear

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iconnumber posted 11-13-2005 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Icebear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I kept surfing the net and found a picture of my chocolate pot, not coffee pot at an auction at Sothbeys for $144k. Just plain amazing ! I look at two footlockers full of silver objects which I inherited 10 years ago and just left in the attic because they were not the "best" that lived in the dining room. So now the question is if it would sell like its "brother".

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hello

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iconnumber posted 11-13-2005 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hello     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First pictures would be nice, second, the forums are not a place to promote sales.

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Icebear

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iconnumber posted 11-13-2005 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Icebear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not having a digital camera, I am not able to attach a picture. I am sorry for the impression that I would or wanted to sell it. It has been in my family for more than 200 years and I can't see selling a part of family history. The monogram tells me that it was a wedding present when a great-great-grandmother married a great-great grandfather in NYC just before he served in the Revolutionary War. Knowing who made it made me able to date it because it told me if the monogram was a pre-wedding or later in life object. I have a set of spoons with this same lady's married initials which date from 1801 so I was trying for a date in her life.

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hello

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iconnumber posted 11-13-2005 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hello     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry but I don't think anyone knows what you are asking, and any opinion would be pretty meaningless without at least seeing a picture

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iconnumber posted 11-13-2005 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The auction to which you refer is discussed here. The pot can be found in the online catalog at Sothebys.com: sale no. N08082 lot 412. It is by Thomas Hammersley, who lived and worked in New York until his death about 1781. Whether or not your pot was made by him cannot be determined with certainty without confirmation by examination by a qualified person; I believe there is no suitable museum anywhere near you. You would have to take it yourself (or send it with someone you trust) -- it would not be adviseable to ship it anywhere.

We cannot and would not even suggest whether or not we think it might be so without seeing suitable photographs of both the pot and the marks - perhaps you can find someone (perhaps another teacher at your school) who has a suitable camera, or a scanner to digitize pictures from a film camera.

Chocolate pots usually have an opening somewhere in the lid for insertion of a stirrer, which may help distinguish them from coffee pots. The finial on the Sotheby pot is said to have been soldered in place - there is no indication whether it had been removable for insertion of a stirrer, or whether it was soldered as a repair of damage or loosening of a previously fixed finial. What is it like on yours?

Whether it is a coffee pot or a chocolate pot is relatively unimportant, except that chocolate pots are rarer than coffee pots; the important thing (if it is what it seems to be) is that you have it and it is part of your long family history. The Sotheby pot is a fine object, and if yours is actually the same, you are indeed fortunate.

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Icebear

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iconnumber posted 11-13-2005 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Icebear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It matches the photo at Sothbey's. It must be a coffee pot for the finial is affixed while there is a small steam hole. The hallmarks are the twice stamped TH and aside from a slightky different wooden handle it is the same even to the design on the side of the pot. Mine does not have a family creat but does have the flourishing monogram.

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outwest

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iconnumber posted 11-14-2005 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go buy a digital camera. wink

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 11-14-2005 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the piece has been in your family for 200 years then it should be tracable. Is there a genealogy group near you? If there is then ask them for assistance. Generally there is only a requirement of paying a membership due. What about asking family members if they know of any family history. There are online genealogy sites. Is there a Mormon church in your area? They have possibly the largest collection of records of anyone. If you have a film camera then the negative or positive can be scanned. Talk to your local photo shop. Or do what I do and ask your 2 year old cousin about computer imaging. Good luck on your search.

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