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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 Registered: Apr 99	posted 12-10-2006 01:39 PM While re-building my initial mark pages, I came across this mark given (by received wisdom alone that I can see) to Chaudron in his 1813-1820 period. I have seen it on a variety of objects, from quite pedestrian spoons to raised holloware, none of which quite come up to the quality of his early work or that done in partnership with Rauch. Is this indeed his mark? Was it used, ala Hannah Robinson's incised mark, for goods bought in and retailed? Does it belong to someone else entirely? IP: Logged
swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 Registered: May 2003	posted 12-10-2006 01:51 PM I have seen it attributed (in older literature?) to someone else - a Steven Castan & Co.(?), I think. I never knew which was right. [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 12-10-2006).] IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 12-10-2006 02:36 PM 2209patrick posted 12-10-2006 02:27 PM in the New Members' Forum quote: This is for Wev in the Silver Before Sterling forum. Don't think I can post there, so I'm posting here. Hope that's ok. As you probably know Simon Chaudron's S.C. & Co. mark is often confused with a similar mark used by Stephen Castan & Company, Philadelphia (1819). I have thought that Chaudron's mark included periods after the S, C, and Co. and that Castan's did not. Stephen Ensko's book shows the marks this way. Just wanted to get your thoughts on this. Regards, Pat. IP: Logged
wev Moderator Posts: 4121 Registered: Apr 99	posted 12-10-2006 03:32 PM I had forgotten Casdan and I suspect you are both right, this mark is for his jewelry company. I have removed it from my site and will now have to track down a picture of the other. IP: Logged
ahwt Posts: 2334 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 12-10-2006 09:50 PM Robert Alan Green in his book “Marks of American Silversmiths” shows the mark S.C. & Co. as belonging to Simon Chaudron & Co. No date is given for use of this mark. Col. Green shows S C & Co as the mark for Stephen Castan & Co. c.1819. Sidney Adair Smith in his work on Mobile Silversmiths and Jewelers indicates that the S.C. & Co. mark was used by Chaudron from 1807 to1811. James Cormany reports in his work on Alabama silversmiths that Chaudron moved to Demopolis, Alabama around 1820 with the establishment of the “Vine and Olive Colony” in Marengo County. An internet search for “Chaudron vine and olive colony” produces some interesting history on this early French settlement in southern Alabama. Chaudron moved to Mobile later and advertised as a watchmaker in 1830 and also published a book of poetry in 1846. Cormany and the authors of “Made in Alabama” offer no evidence that Chaudron produced any silver during his years in Alabama. This is pure speculation on my part, but with Chaudron’s ties to Philadelphia it would seem that he may have retailed silver while being a merchant in Mobile. It was also reported to me that Chaudron had cataracts and had a cataract operation while he was in Mobile. Is it possible that cataracts were operated on this early? IP: Logged
wev Moderator Posts: 4121 Registered: Apr 99	posted 12-11-2006 09:25 AM Modern cataract surgery, in which the cataract is actually extracted from the eye, is generally credited to Jacques Daviel in Paris in 1748, though the earliest record of a surgical treatment dates to the 5th century BC in the Sanskrit medical manual written by the Hindu surgeon Susruta. The first written description of the cataract and its treatment in the West appears in 29 AD in De Medicinae, the work of the Latin encyclopedist Celsus. IP: Logged
ahwt Posts: 2334 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 12-14-2006 03:55 PM One book I brought a several years ago and must admit have not used much reprinted an ad that Chaudron placed in the 17 February 1800 Federal Gazette. Besides jewellery, suitable for the Spanish Main and West-India market Simon had 400 cases of the first quality Claret, 12 bottles each. This interesting book is "Pennsylvania Silversmiths, Goldsmiths and Pewterers, 1684-1900" by James Biser Whisker [This message has been edited by ahwt (edited 12-14-2006).] IP: Logged
bascall Posts: 1629 Registered: Nov 99	posted 10-10-2008 05:12 AM Samuel A Gerould Jr's son Henry Fiske Gerould was born in January 1853, in Keene, New Hampshire. He is listed in the Keene, New Hampshire City Directories in 1877 as a jeweler at the same address as his father and grandfather. He remained with his father, mother and grandfather until their death and then lived with a brother. Henry died on 19 July 1913 in Attleborough, Massachusetts. IP: Logged

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