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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 01-19-2007 01:20 PM
  
I hope Wev can help me with this. I just picked up a coin ladle that had the mark shown in the photo. It interested me because of the inclusion of the street address. Google searches turned up nothing, and even in wev's listing of smiths there are a lot of Wards. Any thoughts? IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 01-19-2007 07:41 PM
I finally found this mark in Wyler listed in Watertown CT 1805, then Phila. 1808. I think it strange that he would move and continue to use an old mark with a street address on it. BTW the name given is John Ward. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 01-19-2007 07:59 PM
Ensko also gives the 67 Market mark to John, but as far as I have discovered, there isn't a Market Street in Watertown, but there is in Philadelphia; it was place to be, if you were a silversmith there. I don't know that I would trust either book in this case. It be that John Ward worked in both towns, but it is also likely that your mark belongs to Jehu and W. L. Ward, who worked in Philadelphia in the 1830s. Can we get a picture of the whole spoon? Ps: Please don't double post -- just edit your original. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-19-2007 10:13 PM
Jehu Ward worked in Philadelphia at least from 1808 to 1848. In 1808 he was on 7th St near Pine. Directory listings over that period apparently do not show he was ever on Market Street. Same for William L. Let's see the whole spoon, front and back. IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 01-20-2007 10:21 AM
sorry about the extra post, it wasn't intentional. Length is 5.75" and it is of good weight.  IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-20-2007 12:46 PM
Nice looking ladle. I see nothing regionally characteristic about the style, which gives me the impression of being a combination of a French style handle with English shoulders. Although it can occur less commonly elsewhere, the vertical positioning of the engraving is particularly characteristic of the Philadelphia-Wilmington-Baltimore area. I may be going out on a limb here, but the French inspired fiddles, with their upturned handles (the English ones turn down) are usually found combined with rounded shoulders. In the Philadelphia area, however, the French handle was commonly combined with pointed shoulders, probably derived from the English "square" shoulder. This style spread west, along the National Road and through Pittsburgh to the Ohio Valley, where it became more modified to the characteristic style of that area, discussed elsewhere in these this forum. This ladle, then, with its English shoulders and French handle could be a forerunner of the typical later Philadelphia style fiddles with their pointed shoulders and upturned handles. Interesting ladle. Thanks for posting it. IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 01-22-2007 12:44 PM
Thanks for the replies. Would it be safe to assume that the ladle is ca. 1810-20 based on shape and probably a Phila. origin? As far as which Ward probably still up in the air? thanks IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-22-2007 01:11 PM
Probably so, but I would say 1810-1830, just to be on the safe side. IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 01-22-2007 03:39 PM
thanks Swarter, I'll inventory it as such. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 01-28-2007 09:06 AM
I knew your mark reminded me of something: John Jones worked in Boston and was partnered with Richard Ward, 1816-1818. Unfortunately, I have not traced down this Ward. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-28-2007 11:51 AM
If there is a Market St. in Boston. the similarity of the marks makes one wonder it the Ward in queation could not have been that Richard. A wise man once said: "You have to be careful about going out on a limb, as it may break off." IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 01-28-2007 11:03 PM
Richard did work in Boston 1809-1820 and there is a Market street in Boston. It was common for silversmiths to work close to each other. My vote is Richard Ward. Fred IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 01-29-2007 09:03 AM
Given the similarity of the marks and the fact that a Richard Ward and a John Jones must have been only several shops away from each other and had a short partnership, it certainly makes more sense to list this ladle as having been made by Richard Ward. Out of curiosity, how many of you have pieces marked with street addresses? IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 01-29-2007 04:21 PM
I do. It's a lazily collected category for me (I don't seek them out special, butI pick them up when I see them). None at hand just now, though.... IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-29-2007 05:48 PM
I think most of these are from the second quarter of the 19th Century, mostly in big cities -- especially New York. The earliest I can think of offhand is by Standish Barry of Baltimore, who was at 92 Baltimore (Market) St. from the date of the first Directory in 1792 until 1800. IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 03-02-2007 04:29 PM
Here's a nice pair of addresses, neither of which I have identified. Help as always appreciated. The first is S&W.1 MARLBORO.ROW, the second H.O.362 N 2nd ST. Both very nicely made, moderately light and small (5.5 and 5.75 inches long). IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 12-18-2008 01:20 AM
Incidently, if it's not already common knowledge, there's a John Ward in the 1850 U S Federal Census for Columbus, Georgia who was born in Connecticut in about 1770 and who was a jeweler. IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 728 |
posted 12-18-2008 11:16 AM
I missed this posting before, which surprises me because one of my subcollections is spoons with addresses. There was a Marlboro Row in Boston from 1815-1826, located directly across from what was the Province House (built in 1679, it was the original residence of the royal governor of the Massachusetts colony, sadly torn down in 1922). IP: Logged |
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