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ahwt

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Above is a pitcher with Geradus Boyce's mark that I thought was somewhat unusual. It is the same size as a cream pitcher from the 1820's but it has a lid and a sieve just below the end of the spout. The dealer I brought it from thought that it may have been a clotted cream pitcher or alternately one for serving honey that is still in the comb. Neither explanation really seems right to me. The clotted cream that I am familiar does not pour and would not be something to decant. Honey does flow slowly, but the small holes in the sieve would quickly clog. Any ideas as to the original intent?

I think the milled band is different from previously posted ones.

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iconnumber posted 09-28-2007 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have seen and sold nearly identical creamers but not with the strainer. Might this be a later modification? The Victorians were notorious for doing things such as this. They also were the ones making specialized items for everything under the sun and beyond. Someone out there will probably know and share that knowledge. In any case it is a nice piece of silver.

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THe strainer looks like it's ok to my eye...tho' the Victorians were always mucking about with old silver. Maybe a hot milk jug--the strainer holding back the "skin" on the cooling milk? I don't think of cream jugs as covered--but hot milk jugs are. I have no idea when they first appear. Clotted cream is served in a dish with a ladle.

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iconnumber posted 10-01-2007 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to both of you for the comments. I do not know what we will use it for, but we will find something. It would be nice to serve mint julep refills as the strainer would be just right to filter the mint leaves.

I also would note that I had no idea that there were so many different milled bands. I do look for different ones at shows and on the internet and there seems to be a neverending supply of new ones. At least new to me. Has anyone seen evidence that these bands were made by specialized manufacturers?

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Has anyone a suggestion for a name for this band?

It has an embossed look - Art, can you check the inside to see if it is raised or applied? If milled, there would be a smooth surface on the inside where it was applied. The band around the lip, however, is clearly applied - could you get a picture of that one? I can't make out the one around the base - is it the same as the one around the body?

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 10-15-2007 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for the delay Swarter as I have been out of town.


The first picture is the bottom band and the second picture is the top. The pitcher has four bands that are very similar except for width. They are all smooth on the reverse side. The top band has some wear so the detail is not as clear.

There are definite flowers in the band, but I do not know what to make of the shell-like portion that has horizontal elements radiating outward.

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After some delay, I am getting ready to add the last contributed bands, but I am still at a loss as to what to name this pattern, which does not seem consistent in its various incarnations. In the foot band, which is the clearest, the two devices alongside the shell look somewhat like badminton shuttlecocks, or perhaps stylized thistles (which are commonly used), but they are not so clear in the other bands, so perhaps represent only some stylized design. Nor do I see Scott's "fowl" in it. Unless someone has a better suggestion (feel free), I will use the foot band on top and arbitrarily assign a provisional name of "Shell, Thistle, and Flower."

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