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 18th c. ladle.. British or American? triple marked
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Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 06-18-2008 04:35 PM
  
[08-0557] Hi all, Purchased this ladle from a lady because I was bored.. Not the best reason to go out buying, but it happens!. Must learn to control my impulses... The shape and feel lead me to think it is from England, rather than America, but who knows.. This is a late 18th c. ladle, that has been broken (see photo) and repaired. It will go into my collection (accumulation) of unsaleable ladles (56 at last count). What interests me more than anything else is the triple struck mark of "R star S". I am unfamiliar with this mark and after checking my easy sources, "Jackson" for British, and "Kovel", "Belden" and "William Voss" for American, I am left floundering. I always thought that triple struck marks were British provincial,. Thanks for your help in advance
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 06-18-2008 06:38 PM
I'm afraid this will not be much help, but I don't think the ladle is English. The practice of some provincial makers of simply stamping their maker's mark two or three times was earlier (17th or early 18th century) and not the norm by the period of this ladle. I'd imagine it is colonial but don't recognise the mark. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 06-20-2008 05:44 PM
I cannot offer any suggestion as to the silversmith who made your interesting ladle; however the marks are instructive as to how the same mark can look different. Presumably both marks shown in the last picture were struck using the same die and yet there are several differences in their appearance today. If these marks were on different objects one could argue that they came from different dies. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 06-21-2008 01:20 PM
quote: I don't interpret this statement as necessarily being restricted to American colonial. IP: Logged |
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Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 06-21-2008 02:44 PM
Hi all, I did not want to add family history to this ladle, because I did not want to bias the research, but the owners were good ol boys, for several generations, from Darlington SC, and prior to that Charleston, SC. The only reason that the grande dame of the family was thinking of getting rid of this ladle, was that it had been broken and repaired, and was not fit to pass on to her children. I do not know if this information clarifies or confuses the hunt for the maker, but I thought it needed to be brought up now. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 06-21-2008 09:00 PM
Swarter is right in that I was not restricting colonial to America, but the provenance of the ladle makes America more likely. And I cannot rule the UK out completely since it would be tempting fate to say that you NEVER find provincial marks like this from the later 18th century. However, I think the UK is the least likely origin. IP: Logged |
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Fitzhugh Posts: 136 |
posted 07-25-2008 08:26 PM
Are y'all just gonna rule out the possibility this is by Ripley Singleton, active in Charleston ca. 1779-1787??? IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 07-25-2008 10:58 PM
Charleston was under British occupation at the time this ladle might have been made by Singleton - when they left, he is supposed to have gone to Jamaica. With that provenance it is a reasonable guess, but only that -- I wouldn't rule anything out at this point. Is there a published mark for him? [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 07-25-2008).] IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 07-26-2008 06:09 PM
This is all probably of very little consequence, but in the 1790 U S Federal Census in Claremont, South Carolina there is a Ripley Singleton listed with a female, possibly his wife, and nineteen slaves. There are other Singletons in the same census but no others in Ripley's household. Also there are 1799 Charleston County will probate records, page 561, for Ripley Singleton. IP: Logged |
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