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ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 10-11-2008 01:19 PM
  
I have a question for forum members who have pieces marked with the Gale & Hayden punch (the one with the names spelled out, as shown at wev's page for Nathaniel Hayden). What is the size of the rectangle containing 'Gale & Hayden'? Recently I bought two coin forks in G&H's 'Gothic' pattern. The marks are very rubbed on both. I'll try to do pictures later today, but for now: The marks seem to be the same on both forks -- a longish rectangular punch, followed by the remains of a diamond. On one fork the first and last letters are still visible in the rectangle; the first is almost certainly G, but the last letter is not so clearly N. Also, the punch doesn't look quite long enough to hold all the letters that would go between the G and N; hence my question. I don't think 'Gothic' had a very long run as a pattern, so it seems unlikely the forks would have been made by anyone but the firm that patented it. But anything's possible... As you might gather, the forks are not exactly in museum condition but are wonderfully heavy and fun to use (I admit to being inspired by the 'everyday silver' thread in the Silver Stories forum). I've gotten fascinated by the early patented patterns, and this is one of the earliest. Thanks in advance. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 03-24-2009 08:19 AM
I recently saw a set of the Gothic pattern flatware where half were marked Wm. Gale and Son and half were marked Tiffany & Co., Sterling and the small letter m. I only had a short look at the flatware, but the owner said that the Tiffany marked silver was heavier than the Gale marked silver, but he thought that the impressions on the Gale silver were better defined. He thought that these differences indicated that the silver marked Tiffany was actually made by Tiffany and not simply retailed by Tiffany. Hood’s book on Tiffany Silver Flatware does not show the Gothic pattern and I wonder if anyone else has seen the Gothic pattern marked with the Tiffany name. [This message has been edited by ahwt (edited 03-24-2009).] IP: Logged |
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ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 03-24-2009 07:58 PM
Thanks for that info, ahwt. The Gale-made 'Gothic' are coin silver. In the era when things Gothic were popular, I can easily imagine that the Gale partnerships made some things for Tiffany. That seems more likely to me than that Tiffany making dies for a very small run of a pattern they didn't continue. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 03-27-2009 08:11 PM
The earliest Gale & Son Gothic I've ever seen is dated 1848--when the patent was granted. I've never seen Gale & Hayden patent or those marks on it. I know it was made at least till 1855, because Newark Museum owns a pastry slice in this pattern dated 1855. IP: Logged |
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Trefid Posts: 96 |
posted 05-23-2009 01:50 AM
The two Gale & Hayden GOTHIC pieces I own do not spell out "Gale & Hayden." They both have "G&H" in a retangular cartouche. The spoon has the Gale date mark for 1848 and "Patent," whilst the knife has "Patented 1847" in a cartouche of about 5/8 inch in length. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 06-13-2009 04:02 PM
Here are images of a Gale & H. spoon Its gothic handle The appearance of Tiffany on Gale gothic flatware is no surprise. Tiffany only locked John Moore as exclusive manufacturer in 1850, and continued to use other silversmiths--including George Shiebler right into the 1870s. Marking was inconsistent. I would be curious to know if anyone has ever seen a piece of Gale gothic from later than 1855. I suspect it did not have a long life--but would love to know otherwise. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 06-13-2009 04:03 PM
By the way, you can also clearly see how these marks eventually become the esoteric little logo of Dominick & Haff! IP: Logged |
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