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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-13-2009 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably paid too much but I really like scroll backs especially with bright cut engraving. Now for the question, I have a number of Beal items so know the Beal name mark quite well but the additional mark I have never seen. The additional mark appears to be a Pine tree and resembles the 'Pine tree shilling' type of pine tree. Does anyone know of a reference that includes the tree with the Beal name mark.

Thanks for any input.



In case you have never seen a Pine tree shilling here is a photo of one. No I do not have one as 'the fairest of them all' would have thrown me out into the cold If I spent that much for an old coin.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 01-13-2009 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
McGrew shows Beal's tree on page 131. He also makes the cryptic remark that it is a century to late to be related to the Pine Tree Shilling of Massachusetts.

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wev
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iconnumber posted 01-13-2009 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kane records two tablespoons -- one c 1795 with two pine tree marks in the Witherthur photo archive and one c 1785 with a single tree (species unspecified) at Yale. The first is monogramed TE, the second EW.

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-13-2009 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not have this reference and can not find a copy of it. Is it available anywhere that anyone knows of. Thank you.

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iconnumber posted 01-13-2009 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
google "isbn 0-89467-077-8" or try amazon -- various copies offered at well below the original price.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 01-13-2009 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you can get a good photo WEV can put it on his site. You will then have your reference.

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-13-2009 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wev
I have the Kane reference. I was asking about the McGrew reference.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 01-13-2009 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John McGrew's book Manufacturers' Marks on American Coin Silver was advertised in Silver Magazine. I think you have to order directly from the author.

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-14-2009 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahwt

Thank you for the info. I have contacted Silver Magazine and received a reply this AM. I will be sending payment today to add another useful reference. Now I have to add another shelf.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 01-14-2009 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This post reminds me that my very first coin silver spoon was a Caleb Beal spoon with the same decorated bowl as yours and marked with Beal's initial mark.

I was marked for a dollar and they gave me 10% off. The mark cartouche was filled with grime and it took much soaking and light brushing to see the CB mark.

Caleb Beal

It is a great example of his work. I believe there is a similar spoon in the Cleaveland Museum (French Collection).

Thanks for the memory.

Fred

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-18-2009 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A more in-focus image of the mark

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