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miphi4tbg Posts: 28 |
posted 01-03-2006 11:30 AM
  
[26-0851] Hello and Happy New Year to all! Sorry I haven't been active lately, but now here's a mark that I can't find anywhere. It's on a coin silver teaspoon I've purchased: down turned pointed tip, bright cut decoration on the handle, V-drop, 5 1/2" long. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance! IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 01-03-2006 11:48 AM
William Van Beuren, working 1790-1825 in Hackensack NJ. IP: Logged |
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miphi4tbg Posts: 28 |
posted 01-03-2006 12:08 PM
Thank you, wev - I guess I didn't hunt very thoroughly or carefully! But someone in this forum always comes through! IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 01-03-2006 12:27 PM
Correction: Van Beuren was born in Hackensack, but worked first in New York City (1790-1792), then Newark (1792-1794), then back in New York City (1795-c 1825). I shouldn't answer questions before the second pot of coffee. . . IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 01-03-2006 12:50 PM
wev, is that a known mark for van Beuren? It's not one I remember seeing attributed, although it certainly seems likely. But when I read the description -- pointed handle, V-drop -- my first thought was it might be continental rather than American. Not that it couldn't be, of course, but that's a form where I often see continental pieces mistaken for American. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-03-2006 01:00 PM
A photo of the mark is shown in William's Silversmiths of New Jersey. Visualizing form without a photograph is tricky, and subject to interpretation. which is why we always ask for pictures of both the piece and the mark. To me, the description sounds typical of the Old English / Irish Pointed End style bright-cut spoons commonly made here in the 1785 - 1820 period, while to someone else, it could sound Scandinavian. [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 01-03-2006).] IP: Logged |
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miphi4tbg Posts: 28 |
posted 01-03-2006 02:33 PM
Sorry - here's a photo of the spoon front:  It definitely strikes me as being American made, for what that's worth . . . IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 01-03-2006 04:20 PM
Yes, I'd say so too -- looks more American than continental, but that's a point that always sets off alarms in my mind. And I had somehow spaced and looked in the Delaware book instead of New Jersey -- where of course he wasn't listed.... IP: Logged |
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Tad Hale Posts: 120 |
posted 01-03-2006 11:06 PM
I hate to say someone is deceitful but I happened to be one of the bidders on this piece. This piece was on auction # 7377776389 and went off today Jan-03-06 13:43:09 PST, several hours before your first posting saying that you had already bought this piece. I suggest that you buy the necessary reference books, in order to do your own research. I wouldn't mind it as much but you have clearly deceived everyone into thinking you owned this piece, which at the time you had not.The information on this site is free of charge to people that are interested in silver but not to deceitful people. Get a grip. Tad IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-04-2006 04:09 AM
Post times listed on the SSF are Eastern Standard Time (EST). Your original post was:
Your first bid on the auction:
The auction ended:
Your original post was a full 5 hours before the auction ends. Your first bid was just a few minutes after your original post.
Jan-03-06 02:44:59 EST (11:44:59 PST) Jan-03-06 04:43:05 EST (13:43:05 PST) It appears that Tad may be correct. Please explain why we shouldn't consider terminating your membership for not respecting and abiding by the SSF Guidelines. IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 01-04-2006 11:18 AM
And the photo is one of the listing photos, cropped and color adjusted to disguise its origin. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-04-2006 08:14 PM
We have waited all day for you to respond. It appears pretty clear that things are as they seem. We are not going to wait any more for your response. Your membership has been terminated. If you were delayed about seeing this and you care to explain things please email me and I can add your explaination to this post. PS what would Miriam say? IP: Logged |
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