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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 01-11-2007 09:58 PM
  
[26-1310] This is going to sound like a bit of a strange request, but would anyone with a Belden's mind looking up mark "c" in the Ineson-Bissell collection by Louise Belden, page 412 and tell me whose mark it is. This might be easier than getting back to the person who originally gave me this information. Many thanks. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 01-11-2007 10:47 PM
It is the same. IP: Logged |
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 01-11-2007 11:11 PM
John Proctor Trott 1769-1852 New London Conn. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 01-12-2007 03:01 AM
Yes, after enlarging the mark quite a bit. It does become clear that it is the same. Maybe the person I am referring to didn't entirely believe their Beldens because they still referred to the mark as T J T? IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-12-2007 12:34 PM
This mark was misread and so appears in some older literature. It is an easy one to misinterpret. Ebay sellers often do not have adequate literature, and so are prone to mistakes, especially if they are general dealers and not silver specialists. In practical terms it is up to the buyer to know what is being offered, or to be willing to gamble. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 01-12-2007 06:37 PM
Too often I am one of the former now striving feebly to become one of the latter. Without expert advise, I was trying to see the initials the same way some others do, T J T. I can easily sympathize with anyone that does interpret these letters incorrectly. Oddly though, my first thought when I saw this mark was Trott. Here is the mark that is being discussed: IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 01-12-2007 07:07 PM
Unless there is something more to this, I think you are going to an awful lot of trouble over a very well known and documented mark. Anyone can look at any mark and decide in their mind that it says xyz, but that doesn't mean it is so, though many folks may blindly follow the pronouncement. Surely we have enough real mysteries to keep us occupied. [This message has been edited by wev (edited 01-12-2007).] IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 01-12-2007 09:48 PM
Nothing more than it did pique my interest a little about early american handwriting. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 01-14-2007).] IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 01-13-2007 05:29 PM
Trott's mark is clear as soon as it is pointed out that the intertwining of letters can often confuse one. There are several early books that have examples of ciphers and monograms and I assume these were used by silversmiths in their day to day engraving of monograms. When these monograms were fashionable the customer was more interested in a monogram with flair than one easy to read or decipher. They already knew their initials and simply wanted something of beauty. It may also be that if one lives in a world of ciphers they all become clear. I recently took a class in Charles Dickens and was amazed how difficult I found his sentence structure. His writings where hugely popular in his day and obviously did not disturb his audience as it did me. I think that simply reflects that his audience thought and spoke in exactly the same way that Dickens did. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 07-20-2017 01:05 AM
It's not a very good copy of a photocopy, but here's an example of Jonathan Proctor Trott's signature that is on an 1808 Administrator Bond for the estate of Jonathan Brooks. The other two signers are Jonathan Brooks' sons.  IP: Logged |
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