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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 08-20-2010 02:58 PM
  
Sorry can't post pics of whole spoon, short on storage space. But any info appreciated. Thanks.
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 08-20-2010 06:25 PM
John David (Philadelphia) or Jonathan Davenport (Baltimore and Philadelphia). Let's see the rest of the spoon (front and back) IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 08-20-2010 08:05 PM
Thanks Swarter, it is the mark of Jonathan Davenport of Baltimore (who incidentally had a schooner named Peggy). There is a pic of a similar spoon in a silver magazine article showing the exact mark with the funny bit at the bottom of the I (J). IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 08-21-2010 10:31 AM
Which issue of Silver? I think the attribution to Davenport is a stretch (some spoons I have seen are too late for his career) and David, senior or junior, more likely. IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 08-21-2010 11:57 AM
Wev: Vol xxxviii #5 2006 pg 18 Silver and Silversmiths in Antebellum Baltimore. The spoon does have a bird back although only the outline is much visible. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 08-21-2010 02:36 PM
The mark on the spoon in the article is one that has been attributed to Davenport, possibly incorrectly, as fiddle handled spoon with that mark in my collection stylistically appears too late for him, but might have some early characteristics (engraving and mark placement). The spoon in the article is clearly too late, and is not the same mark as that on your spoon as the lower serif on the letter I is symmetrical, and (in the photograph in my copy) does not have the asymmetrical tapered serif in your photograph. The two marks are from different punches, although they do look to be related. From what I can see of the shape of the end of the handle in your photograph, your spoon also has a fiddle handle, and likely would be too late for Davenport, too. A similar mark to that attributed to Davenport has also been attributed to a John David. Fiddle-handled spoons did not become popular in this country until after the turn of the century. Davenport died in 1801, but is not recorded as working beyond 1796, John David (Sr) died in 1799, and only John David Jr is shown as living beyond the first decade of the Century, so while it is unclear which of the three could have made these spoons, John David, Jr., as wev has indicated, might be the most likely candidate. Some things just beg a definitive answer. I have not encountered the mark in your photograph before. IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 08-21-2010 02:42 PM
Thanks for the reply Swarter but the punch Wev shows for John David Jr. doesn't look like the punch on my spoon. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 08-21-2010 04:52 PM
quote: This is not an exact science. There is no registry for American marks, as there is for the English ones. Many smiths used more than one punch during their careers, and not all have been attributed (or correctly attributed) - "new" ones turn up regularly, as do reattributions. No one source can be considered complete, and wev's site does not claim to be comprehensive, either. IP: Logged |
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