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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently bought a nice coin silver punch ladle marked "PATENT 1866" and an additional mark that I can't make head or tails of. Hoping someone will recognize it.

Here's the ladle, with a phone for scale (for those of you who remember how big phones used to be):


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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Three views of the mark, the first with the "PATENT 1866" also showing, and the other two from opposite orientations, since I can't tell which way is upside down:

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a heavy ladle with a beaded cylindrical handle, a fancy cast finial, and traces of gilding left on the bowl, which has a little engraving in the mid-19th century style. It's professionally done but not extraordinarily fine, and the finial has what I take to be a casting flaw on the bottom, where it won't show.

Close up of the finial:

Close up of the casting flaw:

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Close up of the engraved bowl:


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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The design/pattern look like it could be George Sharp.

Try using a toothbrush to better clean out the marks.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Scott! I did use a toothbrush--there's no gunk left in the marks, just a little bit of tarnish in the corners. What looks like gunk is just silver and shadows. Shall I try taking some more photos?

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's an item that can be searched on google now: Circa 1870, Philadelphia. Gothic Revival berry spoon by George Sharp. Excellent condition

It goes along with what Scott has suggested.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like you're right. I found photos online from a 2007 auction for a George Sharp ladle with the exact same finial (minus the casting flaw) and beaded handle. Thank you.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right, Bascall. That looks like the same handle, and the same illegible mark. Thanks!

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's an earlier thread about George Sharp and his balls. Hm, that came out wrong. I mean, a thread about George Sharp and his flatware patterns with heavy round finials.

Patent 1863 G.S. -- George Sharp marks?

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And a search for "George Sharp patent 1866" turns up plenty of other examples of serving pieces with the same handle. I wish my ladle had mice and squirrels and blackberries and bees and ladies' faces, like some of the other pieces, but I'm not complaining.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2011 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at that "casting flaw" again, I'm starting to think it's a big blob of solder. In which case, perhaps there once was a squirrel or lady or fly or something on my ladle after all!

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