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lrobbinstx Posts: 7 |
posted 03-04-2009 08:38 PM
  
Hi I recently purchased some odd lots of silver plate at auction, and found two spoons I can't identify. I believe they are coin silver and are marked D Cohen on the back. I've looked everywhere and can't find anything on that manufacturer. Does anyone know anything about who he/they were? I love to collect old silver - but like to know the origins. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Pictures: IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 03-05-2009 05:06 AM
I have checked several lists, but untill now I have only found one person called D.Cohen.The information goes about Jersey-Nottingham.In this article he had been in Business in Briggate as a silversmith since at the latest 1758-1831. I have seen a lot of silversmith or c,j,w,s,g etc. with the name Cohen. I don't know which information (initials etc.) stand at the top of the stele.Perhaps it's dated or can you give any more information. To me it's a rather old spoon, engraving letters figures are worn out but I hope still to read. Also the engraved letters looks old. The other names related to the name Cohen are not beginning with a D, but it's perhaps possible the manufacturer had several surnames. I will try to find other pieces made by D.Cohen and will react again. I don't say this is the person you looked for but I gave it a try. Succes with the solution and perhaps you can give more information about collecting silver from your side? Succes with the hobby! IP: Logged |
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lrobbinstx Posts: 7 |
posted 03-06-2009 06:15 AM
Thanks for your response, it looks as if these have an interesting background. The letters at the top of the spoon are really hard to read, they are worn. I'm going to play around with lighting to see if I can photograph them so they come out clearer. There is also a small graphic (looks like a little rope with something else on top). I'm what I call an "accidental" collector. I never add pieces to my collection intentionally. I only collect pieces that are purchased in odd lots of silver or auction box lots. I do resell old silver and silver plate online - but keep the pieces that are interesting to me in shape, design, style or story. Thanks again for your help. It's nice to understand where these may have come from. Loralee IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 03-06-2009 06:35 AM
No thanks, perhaps there is a spoon collector specialized in American spoons who can give you more (better)information. I've a few spoons but not from America, just collecting silver/plate at this side most Dutch items and silver from Norwegian. Here in Holland I've never visited a auction but I still want to do that once. I have visited a site where you can bid at auction silver items and want to try that also. Auction prices stay interesting in stead of the retail prices. Visiting second hand markets/shops, fancy fairs,visiting internet and see how many pieces are offered. With or without good information, clear marks etc. It's a good sport to find the unique one's. Good to hear that you collect your pieces, the one's you adore you keep and the rest is for sale, a lot of collectors are doing this. So enjoy your silver! IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 03-06-2009 10:28 AM
I can't help with the maker of your spoon, but the engraving over the initials on it are of a crest (heraldic - as in from a coat of arms). What you term "looks like a little rope with something else on top" is known as a torse - a twisted piece of cloth originally. On it sits the crest, which although so worn, looks as if it may be a stag's head. Identifying the owner of the crest is probably not possible, as often a number of families used the same, or similar crests. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 03-06-2009 11:34 AM
This is the mark of David Cohen, who is listed as a watchmaker in New York City from 1826-1831. He was likely only a retailer of silver, not a maker. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 03-06-2009 01:28 PM
A David Cohen, age 32, arrived from London aboard the Ship Cincinnatus on 9 July 1825. His occupation was listed as watchmaker. There is a also a David Cohen in the 1827 New York City Directory listed as a watchmaker at 205 Hudson, and he is listed in the Manhattan New York City Directory for 1830-1 with the business/secondary address of 205 Hudson. His occupation is given as library & watchmaker. This is no doubt the gentleman referred to in Swarter's reply, just a little additional information. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 03-06-2009).] IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 03-06-2009 04:36 PM
On American silver sometimes crests were added because the family originally had that as their crest before they came to the U.S., but I have the sense that more often generic crests were added simply for decoration or to imply the owner was somehow more socially well placed than they really were. Unlike a many European countries there is no social or legal control over the use of any crest or coat of arms a person would like to invent for themselves. IP: Logged |
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lrobbinstx Posts: 7 |
posted 03-07-2009 05:07 AM
Thank you all for your responses! This is great information. LR IP: Logged |
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