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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 01-06-2012 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't often see too many coin silver cup and saucers. In addition to the Lincoln & Foss mark, this one has a makers mark of A.P.

Does anyone know who A.P. might be?

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iconnumber posted 01-10-2012 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ellabee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is lovely, Richard. Is it a punch cup? It's hard to imagine silver being a comfortable medium for hot coffee or tea...

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iconnumber posted 01-10-2012 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a tea cup and yes it is hard to imagine anyone using it comfortably.
I don't know the exact history of these things, butI believe that they were generally given as presents usually for birthdays.
I see them most often in continental silver and someimes in sterling, but as I said I seldom see them in coin.
I've looked high and low but I still haven't the slightest as to who A.P. was.
Anybody have a clue?

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 01-11-2012 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I've got it nailed down.

A.P. was Armando Pishnik that little known Jewish Italian silversmith from Bensonhurst, Brooklyn. Armando was actually a full time hair dresser, but in between permanents he would hammer out a piece or two.

Pishnik collectors are notorious for paying outrageous sums for examples of his work, especially pieces containing residue of hair gel.

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And here I once passed up a spittoon by him as unsanitary, because I didn't realize the dried contents were actually hair gel! biggrin biggrin biggrin

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 03-03-2012 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been chatting with noted Pishnik scholar, Worthington Wellington Withington. Worth assures me that this is most definitely not a Pishnik as Armando put down his hammer and comb in 1835 and committed himself to full time monkhood.
Which brings us back to the question: Who was A.P.?

[This message has been edited by Richard Kurtzman (edited 03-03-2012).]

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Two possibilities are Andrew Paton or Andrew Pattee, both listed as a silversmiths in the 1850 Boston city directory. Neither appears in the 1845 or 1855 editions. Paton had a shop at 17 Harvard Place, but Pattee is listed without a working address -- a journeyman or contract worker at L & F?

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 03-03-2012 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you.

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