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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 03-24-2012 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wev, Here is a pitcher retailed by Ball Tompkins & Black. In addition there is a makers mark of J.B.

On your website you list this mark, or a similar mark, as being that of Joseph Blauvelt.

In Ensko IV three different makers are attributed to this, or a similar J.B mark:


    James Black, Philadelphia
    John Boyce, New York
    John Brown, Philadelphia

As I am confused I'd like to know if you have any input as to who this J.B might be.

Thanks.

If anyone else has any info please share it as well.


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iconnumber posted 03-24-2012 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Presumably this is James Bogert, who was apprenticed to William Forbes, who made much silver sold by BT&B. The J.B mark is found on quite a few BT&B pieces .

Here is a documented example (N.F.S.) that does not illustrate the mark.:
American Silver Presentation Ewer by James Bogert, Newburgh, NY, Retailed by Ball, Thompkins & Black, NYC, 1849/50

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iconnumber posted 03-24-2012 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swarter's id is correct. You have to be very careful with those common letter combinations; Blauvelt used a distinctive J and a period between that lines with the bottom of the letters. Bogert's mark has a common mid-century J and the bullet is slightly raised above the baseline. I have not found a good enough shot of it to add to the page yet.

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iconnumber posted 03-24-2012 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to both of you.

Wev,
If I can get a better shot of the mark would it be of use?

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iconnumber posted 03-24-2012 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And here I thought I was being subtle (grin).

Yes, that would be very nice, thanks. It looks like a good clean strike.

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iconnumber posted 03-24-2012 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to correct the write up on Spencer Marks:

Nicholas Bogert was James' father, not cousin. It was Nicholas who trained under, William Forbes(his uncle); James, like his brothers David and William, trained under his father.

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iconnumber posted 03-24-2012 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a little dense sometimes.

The mark is really far up in a narrow opening of the base, but I will do my best.

Please give me a couple of days.

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iconnumber posted 03-24-2012 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah, I was just joshing. No rush, no worries.

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