SMP Logo
SM Publications
Silver Salon Forums - The premier site for discussing Silver.
SMP | Silver Salon Forums | SSF - Guidelines | SSF - FAQ | Silver Sales

The Silver Salon Forums
Since 1993
Over 11,793 threads & 64,769 posts !!
American Silver before sterling Forum

A GLOSSARY of MILLED BANDS
Past American Coin Silver Forum topics/threads worth a look
WEV's American Silversmith's Family Tree Project Smith's Index

How to Post Photos REGISTER (click here)

customtitle open  SMP Silver Salon Forums
tlineopen  American Silver before sterling
tline3open  Albert Coles patterns

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

ForumFriend SSFFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Albert Coles patterns
FredZ

Posts: 1069
Registered: Jun 99

iconnumber posted 09-17-2002 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[02-0063]

Do you know if there is a printed record of the flatware designs produced by Albert Coles and his prolific firm?

I recently purchased three sterling knives in a stunning pattern that is tipt with woman's bust above the space for engraved initials and with a trail of beads that end in bell flower design. The edges are threaded and the handle has been twisted 90 degrees from the handle like many a master butter knife.

Any help would be appreciated.

IP: Logged

wev
Moderator

Posts: 4095
Registered: Apr 99

iconnumber posted 09-17-2002 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where's that camera, Fred? Sounds positively frightening -- I have to see a picture!

IP: Logged

smfc75

Posts: 122
Registered: Mar 2002

iconnumber posted 09-17-2002 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for smfc75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This could be Albert Coles' Kenilworth pattern -- documented in Soeffing's "Silver Medallion Flatware".

Turner's "American Silver Flatware" also documents five other Coles patterns, but none of those shown match your description.

[This message has been edited by smfc75 (edited 09-17-2002).]

IP: Logged

FredZ

Posts: 1069
Registered: Jun 99

iconnumber posted 09-18-2002 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WEV, I will send you off an image and perhaps you can help me post it for all to see. I don't believe they qualify as a medallion item and perhaps I am wrong. They were part of the dowry of a spinstress and she never got the oportunity to use them and so they are in unused condition and very crisp.

IP: Logged

smfc75

Posts: 122
Registered: Mar 2002

iconnumber posted 09-18-2002 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for smfc75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do your knives look like this?

IP: Logged

wev
Moderator

Posts: 4095
Registered: Apr 99

iconnumber posted 09-18-2002 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are the images from Fred




IP: Logged

FredZ

Posts: 1069
Registered: Jun 99

iconnumber posted 09-18-2002 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott,
You beat my images and yes as you can see they are the same pattern, and these are fruit knives. I have three of these. Is there a pattern name for this? Thanks to WEV for hosting my images.
Fred

IP: Logged

Scott Martin
Forum Master

Posts: 11377
Registered: Apr 93

iconnumber posted 09-18-2002 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fred -

The pattern is called Kenilworth
Introduced 1850-60.

IP: Logged

FredZ

Posts: 1069
Registered: Jun 99

iconnumber posted 09-19-2002 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott,
Thank you ever so much for the information. Your book is definately on my list of those to get this comming year. I have to admit that the style is not one I will keep for my collection and will probably look to find someone who collects this type of silverware. I tend to lean toward cleaner lines and less decoration. I could not pass them up since they were in such pristene condition. This forum is one of the finest on the net and it is a credit to each and every one of your moderators. Thanks again for your help.

Fred

IP: Logged

Brent

Posts: 1502
Registered: May 99

iconnumber posted 10-11-2002 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have a coda to this post. A while ago I got these ice cream spoons on eBay. They have no marks at all, but they flex like solid silver. I've hesitatingly attributed them to Coles, but they very well may have been made by a copycat smith and/or be plated. I call the pattern "CHERUB."

Trefid

IP: Logged

All times are ET

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:


Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a


1. Public Silver Forums (open Free membership) - anyone with a valid e-mail address may register. Once you have received your Silver Salon Forum password, and then if you abide by the Silver Salon Forum Guidelines, you may start a thread or post a reply in the New Members' Forum. New Members who show a continued willingness to participate, to completely read and abide by the Guidelines will be allowed to post to the Member Public Forums.
Click here to Register for a Free password

2. Private Silver Salon Forums (invitational or $ donation membership) - The Private Silver Salon Forums require registration and special authorization to view, search, start a thread or to post a reply. Special authorization can be obtained in one of several ways: by Invitation; Annual $ Donation; or via Special Limited Membership. For more details click here (under development).

3. Administrative/Special Private Forums (special membership required) - These forums are reserved for special subjects or administrative discussion. These forums are not open to the public and require special authorization to view or post.


| Home | Order | The Guide to Evaluating Gold & Silver Objects | The Book of Silver
| Update BOS Registration | Silver Library | For Sale | Our Wants List | Silver Dealers | Speakers Bureau |
| Silversmiths | How to set a table | Shows | SMP | Silver News |
copyright © 1993 - 2020 SM Publications
All Rights Reserved.
Legal & Privacy Notices