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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 09-09-2005 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I bought this on that big auction site out of the bay area. It was listed correctly by maker and approximate time period. It is Bailey & Co. However, it was bought by the seller at a Skinner Auction 6/17/2003 listed as late 18th c and made by Artley. I have not found any Artley. So, I guess even the experts can be wrong just like us little people. Still a really nice 19th c creamer in the 18th c style.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 11-07-2007 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello!
Just a shot in the dark but could it possibly be an incorrect spelling of the name? Perhaps they meant Charles Atlee from Philadelphia circa 1837, although I don't know if he did any work for Bailey.
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bascall

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iconnumber posted 11-07-2007 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another thought, though maybe not as good as the last one, is Samuel Hartley of Philadelphia. Members of the Artley flute manufacturer's family mention an interchangability of the name Artley and Hartley.

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 11-09-2007 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The base was marked for Bailey only. I have no idea where the auction house got Artley. Perhaps they assigned that name from the style of the engraving or from the consignor. No matter where they got it the creamer is a very nice piece with very well done engraving. Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

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blakstone

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iconnumber posted 11-09-2007 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I work at an auction house and, yes, errors happen all the time. Working there also gives me access other auction house records via several subscription services, and the original Skinner 2003 listing for this item read: "A Federal coin silver creamer, late 18th century, marked Atley" (not Artley).

My experienced guess is that the cataloguer either 1) misread a worn "Bailey" mark and dated it based on style, 2) got the piece confused with another he or she was cataloguing, or 3) made an an utterly inexplicable mistake owing to the fatigue of a 19-hour, non-stop, working day to meet a deadline. I feel terrible when I make an error in print - like you say, we're supposed to be the "experts" - but the cataloguers where I work console one another with the old adage "The only people who don't make mistakes are the ones who don't do anything."

I have to run now; today is tag day and there's a big stack of photo proofs and catalogue cards headed for my desk . . .

[This message has been edited by blakstone (edited 11-09-2007).]

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iconnumber posted 11-09-2007 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Misreading makes pretty good sense. If we too could see the mark, it could make it easier to appreciate how that might have happened.

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I have since sold the creamer but always save all images. Somehow I have managed to delete about two dozen images and one of them was the mark on the creamer. So unfortunately I can not post the mark. I should have backed up the files - which I am now doing.

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