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asheland

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iconnumber posted 07-12-2016 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm getting some coin silver spoons with this mark:

I have a few questions, firstly would these be considered southern? And how scarce is this mark? I cannot find any examples online to compare them to.

They are Coffin End teaspoons.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 07-12-2016 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isaac Marquand and Cornelius Paulding were partners in Savannah GA from 1801 to 1810. His mark in shown on WEV's site and Cutten's book on The Silversmiths of Georgia has a nice article on both men. Cutten's book also shows some coffin spoons with the mark of Nathaniel Butler, but does not show any work by Marquand and Paulding. Coffin ended spoons are not common so I assume your spoons would also be in limited supply and even be considered rare.

I believe that Isaac Marquand and Paulding are considered oldest jewellery house in America.

Please show pictures of your new find.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 07-12-2016 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the information. I will post pictures as soon as they arrive! smile

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 07-16-2016 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Arrived today!


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Polly

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iconnumber posted 07-17-2016 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beautiful! So crisp.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 07-17-2016 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Polly! The condition is amazing on these spoons. smile

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 07-18-2016 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great spoons that look like they were never used. How long are they and have you seen the narrow pointed bowl before on such early spoons?
Very interesting spoons.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 07-18-2016 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the compliment!
They are teaspoons, approximately 5.5 inches long. The bowls are unquestionably original and I have indeed seen that pointed tip on pieces from that period. They look totally correct to me.

I am curious about the mark and how rare it is. I cannot find another picture of that mark anywhere online, save for WEV's site.

I am happy with the new addition! smile

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 07-19-2016 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you could find out more about this partnership by writing the Telfair Museum in Savannah, Georgia. The mark cannot be common as they were only in business 10 years and they were not just selling silver.

The more interesting thing to me is the shape of the bowls as that would indicate people in Savannah were looking for specialized flatware. Remember this was a time when forks were uncommon.

Savannah had a population of just over 5000, but its size may not reflect the sophistication of its citizens. It would be fascinating to see what the typical table setting was in Savannah at this time.

[This message has been edited by ahwt (edited 07-19-2016).]

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 07-19-2016 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great spoons!

Have run across similar pointed bowls on quite a bit of American coin, especially Southern - shows up on Scandinavian pieces too, have always thought of them as 'French style'...

~Cheryl

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 07-20-2016 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again for the kind words!
I will have to look into this museum you mention. Very interesting points discussed about Savannah at that period. I'm very happy I found these spoons! smile

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 07-20-2016 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Cheryl, it's not only that they are pointed but there is a lot of "meat" on the tips which it typical of French and continental spoons. As a spoon maker of the English school that was not something I was taught. It makes sense that southern silver would have a french influence.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 07-21-2016 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just looked at your spoons on my computer as before I had just seen them on my iPad. For some reason the grouping of four is displayed vertically on a computer while they are displayed horizontally and compressed on an iPad. The compression makes the spoons appear to be grapefruit spoons rather than teaspoons.
My comment about early use of specialized flatware is wrong. The French like "shelf" is a great design feature and I think would be more common for New Orleans.
I think this firm had a New Orleans connection and these spoons may confirm that link.

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avalata

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iconnumber posted 11-10-2018 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for avalata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just received this piece, presumably from the same set!

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 11-12-2018 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's awesome!!! Small world out there! biggrin

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avalata

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iconnumber posted 11-12-2018 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for avalata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep - wonder where the sixth one ended up?!

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 11-13-2018 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's interesting, without being too specific, where did you find it? I only ask because our spoons are the only examples of this mark I have ever seen, save for the entry on WEV's site. I consider it a very rare mark!

I got mine on ebay over two years ago! I assume yours was found recently...

Very interesting! (and in my mind, there is absolutely no doubt these were all together at one time)

The sixth one must be floating around somewhere, especially as our examples are in excellent condition!

Very cool to see others turning up! smile

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avalata

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iconnumber posted 11-16-2018 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for avalata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was among a diverse group of spoons sold on eBay recently, along with some rare Virginia marks and some more mundane pieces. It's also the only time I've come across this particular mark!

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 11-18-2018 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if they'd missed each other, poor separated spoons.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2018 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
avalata, congrats on the finds!

Polly, I know! biggrin

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avalata

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iconnumber posted 11-20-2018 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for avalata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! Finding those hidden treasures is my favorite part of this hobby!

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 11-21-2018 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally agree! I have a few other finds like this one where the mark is super scarce... One of my favorites is the pair of tablespoons I found on there simply listed as "Coin silver spoons" or the like, it didn't even specify if they were table or tea spoons!

I got them and two of them turned out to be Charles White out of Mobile, AL! Even better still, they are large and heavy table spoons! biggrin Fun indeed!

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 11-21-2018 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That gleeful, triumphant feeling when one realizes that one guessed right!

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 11-26-2018 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
100% agree!

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