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ahwt

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The forks above are Henry Hebbard’s mask pattern and were retailed by Duhme of Cincinnati. Three of the four have the number 4 on the reverse side and one has the number 1. The forks all appear the same and I wonder if anyone has a guess why they would be numbered this way. I have seen series of bowls marked with consecutive numbers that could be used for inventory control, but these numbers do not fit that pattern. I only have four forks and do not know if any other numbers were used.

They all have Lida W Bishop’s full name on them instead of just having her initials.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 06-29-2017 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Journeyman marks?

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-29-2017 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting question. Took a very quick look at the Hebbard Mask forks that were handy and found one with a 3 and the retailer is T. Kirkpatrick. Monogram is A.A.K.

Will look for more when time permits.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 06-29-2017 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks June and Asheland. I think journeyman marks or maybe some part of the tracking process doing manufacturing is a good guess.

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bascall

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I believe Lida W Bishop was the daughter of Benjamin Dexter Wheeler a dentist and Eliza A Allen. Lida married James Alexander Bishop a wholesale grocer. They were for the most part of their married lives a Cincinnati family.

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ahwt

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Bascall thanks for the information. The retailer was also from Cincinniti.
It is nice that the full name was used as one can find out who the original owner was.

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-03-2017 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a further note on T. Kirkpatrick. Per a Christie's listing, T. Kirkpatrick emigrated to New York from Dunnfries Scotland and founded Kirkpatrick & Co. in the latter part of the 19th century. He opened a jewelry store and art gallery in the Waldorf Astoria Hotel. His grandson of the same name directed the company from 1928 to 1980; that shop was at 16 East 62nd Street.

A further tidbit is that Randolph J. Trabert and William Howard Hoeffer met in 1915 while working at T. Kirkpatrick & Co. and went on to found Trabert & Hoeffer Inc.,beginning the long tradition of lending jewelry to movie stars & movies. Trabert & Hoeffer later merged with Mauboussin in 1936. Word is that Mauboussin sought the merger to work out issues with the US Treasury regarding duties on earlier imports. This information is sourced from Antique Jewelry University.

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