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cbc58

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iconnumber posted 08-01-2018 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Recently acquired this shell spoon (think used for preserves/jam) and had originally thought it was by Standish Barry, but upon closer examination the mark is different. There appears to be a 1 or l before BARRY, and the type style is different from that in reference materials that I have. The spoon is 6" and of good weight. The drop is pronounced. Is this another mark used by Standish Barry or maybe someone else? Kovels has a William Barry but there is no mark listed. Does the skull-anchor-deer pinpoint a location/region? By the style guessing this is 1820-30ish?? Any info appreciated. Tks.


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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 08-02-2018 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your marks look to me as an uncrowned leopard, an anchor and a lion. These would be manufacturers' marks and Barry would be the retailer. (who may or may not have been a silversmith)
I looked in John McGrew's book, but could not find these marks. McGrew does note several Canadian marks that while not the same were similar so it could be your spoon came from Canada.

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cbc58

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iconnumber posted 08-02-2018 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting. think i will try to clean the marks more to get a clearer view of them. thank you for your insight.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 08-02-2018 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A clearer sharper photo of the marks would be helpful.

I don't see a skull or a deer.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 08-02-2018 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My gut is Canadian. Unfortunately I have NO references on Canadian makers. frown

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 08-03-2018 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The scull looks like it may have crossed bones behind it? Perhaps the silversmith was a pirate?

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 08-03-2018 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Without better photos.......

To me, the "skull" mark looks like an uncrowned leopards head.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 08-03-2018 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now I am seeing a leopards head uncrowned. Could this also be Jersey or Channel Islands?

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 08-03-2018 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have seen these marks (leopard-head/anchor/lion-passant) with either 'J.B/N.B' or as here, with the surname, attributed to John Barry of Saint John, New Brunswick, working 1830s-50s...

~Cheryl

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cbc58

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iconnumber posted 08-03-2018 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for all the replies. I spent some time trying to clean the hallmarks and was able to get the "deer" to morph into a rearing lion/creature with claws. The "skull" does look more and more like a leopard and after researching these marks and construction style on the web -- came to the same conclusion that it is likely John Barry of New Brunswick.

The mark is not exact but very close to one other example I found - however their marks were much more worn and blurred.

Again appreciate the assistance and I consider this mystery solved.

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Scott Martin
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A clearer sharper photo of the marks would be appreciated and helpful (especially to those who are learning) .

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