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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 04-03-2021 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote



I recently saw this small spoon with the SW mark and it reminded me of some sugar tongs I brought years ago. After I brought the spoon and compared the marks, I realized that the two really are different and just by chance have the same letters. If anyone recognizes the SW on the spoon, I would appreciate learning any information you know about it. It may be the same age as the tongs, but with the block letters for the monogram it could be earlier.
The SW on the tongs were attributed by a friend to a Samuel Walsh of Cork, Ireland. I did however notice that Kovel states that a S. White used these letters and that White was from Connecticut. The only book I have on Connecticut silver is by Bohan and Hammerslough but they do not mention this smith. By chance they do have a picture of some sugar tongs by Phinehas Bradley that bear a striking resemblance to my tongs. At least to me the addition of a heart in the arms of the tongs is similar enough to bear some investigation that perhaps the two tongs were made in the same area. The SW tongs have two hearts that appear to be knotted together whereas the Bradley has only one heart. If anyone has any information on the S. White mentioned by Kovel I would appreciate learning what you know.


I also think that the shell tips were cast and I wonder if the SW mark was just part of the casting die. If our silversmith is around maybe he can answer this question. It does seem to be easier to include one marks in the casting process rather than striking it in the finished tip.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 04-03-2021 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should have added a picture of the whole "SW" tongs and here it is:

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 04-04-2021 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahwt, A quick response to the question of whether the SW Mark would or could be cast with the shell. Yes but probably not. That is a very second rate way to mark. If it was done it would still need to be restruck after casting to make it clear.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 04-04-2021 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agleppar, As always thanks for your knowledgeable opinion.
I just thought it unusual that so many times American silver seems to be unmarked and with many tongs they are marked twice. There obviously is another answer to this.

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I looked all over for info. on S. White from CT and can't seem to find any. There is another book on CT silversmiths online, and it doesn't even mention him.

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iconnumber posted 04-06-2021 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, cbc58 for looking for S. W. I relooked in Koval and my recollection of a reference to Connecticut was wrong as they listed a C. White from Delaware. Maybe my fuzzy sense of geography blended Delaware and Connecticut into a somewhere on the north east coast location
I did write Graham Hodges author of the book Georgian Silver Sugar Tongs as he shows many examples of UK cast sugar tongs. He stated that the location of the makers marks on my tongs and the very wide bow were both very unusual for tongs made in the UK.

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