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vathek

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iconnumber posted 07-23-2021 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had this for a while but could never figure out the name. This is the clearest mark out of 3. The first letter looks like a J the last like a t with some vowels in the middle. I'm not sure if the first letter is an initial or not but would appreciate all guesses.

[This message has been edited by Scott Martin (edited 07-23-2021).]

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 07-24-2021 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a John Lent that used an irregular mark like your mark that is shown on page 135 in Robert Alan Green's book "Marks of American Silversmiths". Green lists him in New York and Philadelphia, 1787 to 1791.
WEV has Lent on his web site but does not have a picture of a mark and only lists him as working in New York.
Mr. Green's book has in the past shown marks that I have not seen elsewhere. The book was published in 1977. I will post a picture of the mark when I get a chance.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 07-24-2021 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 07-24-2021 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I might add I just read the short biography for Robert Alan Green and he is a retired Colonel from the Regular Air Force having started with the U.S. Army Air Corps in WW II.
He also published an edition of Pleasants and Hill's book on Maryland silver as well as other books including one on trade cards.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 07-24-2021 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahwt: thank you for taking the time to look into this. The John Lent mark you posted is a match. Much appreciated.
And Scott, thanks for editing the post.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 07-25-2021 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked in Catherine Hollan’s book on Philadelphia silversmiths and did not find a listing for John Lent. Given her accuracy I would surmise that John Lent never worked in Philadelphia.
John’s name does show up in Kovels’ American Silver Marks book. They also list Lent as working in New York and Philadelphia. They used Stephen Ensko’s 1927 book on American Silversmith and their Marks for their source. I suspect that is where the false reference to working in Philadelphia came from.
I like the Kovel book because they brought every book available on silver marks and compiled an easy-to-read listing of everyone mentioned in each of the books. Not original research as far as I can see, but useful nevertheless. It also means that mistakes in these books was carried on in their publication.
I should add I also looked in James Biser Whisker’s book “Pennsylvania Silversmiths, Goldsmiths and Pewterers, 1684-1900 and John Lent was not listed. I think it is safe to say John never worked in Philadelphia.
By the way that is a very nice milk jug from a not to easy to find silversmith.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 07-25-2021 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried to find out more info about him online and couldn't even find an example of his work.
It's a nice item, being about 6.5" high and weighing approx 188 gr. It has some crinkling to the top of the base which I have always blamed on the base getting twisted during polishing.
I did find a genealogical reference to him as being listed as Johannes Lent, silversmith and being from a group of Dutch settlers.

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wev
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iconnumber posted 07-25-2021 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From von Khrum's Silversmiths of New York City:

1787, 20 Beekman Street; 1789 61 Beekman; 1790-1791, 69 Maiden Lane; 1792, 18 Nassua; 1793, 61 Beekman; 1794, 56 Beekman. Advertised as a gold & silversmith and jeweler, doing work at No. 61 Beekman Street in the Impartial Gazetteer, 19 July 1788. Similar adverts appeared in 1790 and 1791.

I checked the 1795 city directory. He is not listed, but a Margaret Lente, mantuamaker is listed at 56 Beekman, so it might be presumed that he left the trade or died.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 07-26-2021 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the further info wev, it fills in some gaps. I've noticed that when seeing the various addresses given for many silversmiths that they must of moved around a lot.

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