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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-03-2026 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote




This is a cup retailed by Robert Rait of New York City probably in the 1850s when engine turning engraving became popular. The handle is unusual for a cup of this time as it has cast acanthus leaves overlaid on a separate handle, the retailer's name is engraved rather than stamped, the maker used silver from a silver mine located in Pennsylvania rather than silver coins and the actual maker is probably identified by a stamped horse's head. This head is not in John McGrew’s book so I do not know the maker.

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-03-2026 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is so cool!

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-03-2026 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I should have added the initials of the original owner. These may have been the initials of someone with connections to the Wheatley mines of Chester County Pennsylvania.
Google lens suggested that these initials are CWT or GWT. It may be that someday AI will suggest a name that fits these initials.

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The last initial is an L, not a T.
It is interesting the term used is "Pure Silver." The Wheatley mines primarily produced lead and related ores, with silver being am incidental by-product, rather than a primary one. This cup may signify some sort of achievement in the smelting process.

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iconnumber posted 03-04-2026 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FYI
2019 Mining History Journal - The Perkiomen and Wheatley Mines

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AI Overview

The Wheatley Mines were a group of 19th-century silver, lead, and zinc mines near Phoenixville, Chester County, Pennsylvania, active primarily between 1850–1860 and 1917–1920. Famous for producing exceptional green pyromorphite crystals, the historic site now features a surviving Cornish chimney on the Pickering Valley Golf Club.
Key Details About the Wheatley Mines:

  • Location: Situated in the Pickering Creek valley near Phoenixville, PA.
  • Operations: The mines, including the nearby Brookdale mine, operated in the mid-1800s and again during World War I.
  • Mineralogy: Renowned for producing high-quality, rare, and aesthetically appealing green pyromorphite, along with galena (lead ore).
  • Surviving Structure: A Cornish stack (chimney) remains on the 15th/16th green of the Pickering Valley Golf Club, marking the site of the engine shaft.
  • Legacy: Specimens from the Wheatley Mines are highly sought after by collectors.

Note: The Wheatley Mines in Pennsylvania are distinct from the Whatley Quarry in the Mendip area or the Wheatley Hill area in the UK.


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iconnumber posted 03-04-2026 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WEV thanks for the correction in the monogram. I suspect there was a pattern book that engravers used to do their work and maybe Google lens should include that in their database.
As you point out WEV "Get the lead out" may have a different meaning to those in the mining business. The composition analyses of silver that I have seen all have trace amounts of lead so this may have been a problem at many silver mines.
Scott thanks for the information on the Wheatley mines. Those mines were an important part of the history of that area.

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